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    SCF - Advice on Trading PLEASE!!

    Ok i always concidered myself to be an easy guy to trade with, but I recently had a run in with a trader who i thought made no sense at all, I hate to put someone on blast so i took out the names, but heres the actual conversation, Im wondering if anyone would take the time to read this and comment on the trade itself, both of our trade etiquite, and let me know if I am doing something wrong here, or if i am dealing with a difficult trader. thanks for your help!

    [HIM] Hi, Thanks for your post, I'll check out your bucket but in the meantime the cash/paypal price I'm looking for is around $500. If you're interested in buying and can pay in CDN Paypal, the price would be $475 with Expresspost included.

    The last 2 on Ebay with 3 colors sold for $500 each:

    Thanks,
    Brian.


    [ME] yah Brian, thats a fair price! i am interested for sure, I have a seguin ice rookie /99 could we do that + paypal?

    [HIM] Just wondering if we're still working on a deal, there's a couple of others who are interested but are on hold since you contacted me first.
    Please let me know either way, thanks.
    Brian.


    [ME] how about the seguin ice and 125 paypal? the seguin ice rookies are going pretty strong right now, i am really interested in this deal, thanks.

    [Him] I'll Pass Thanks

    [ME] can you please counter offer i am looking to make a deal not go back and forth a lot

    [Him] I don't think we're in the same zone in regards to the Seguin Ice. The last ungraded copy sold on Ebay went for $164.00. I'd be looking for $325 cash + the Seguin based on that sale.

    [ME] i dont mean to offend you, but some of the seguin ice rookies were printing to /499 in error, and the one you are looking at is one of them, and it still sold for 160... the /99 rookies are selling nearly 500 graded, and would sell around 350 ungraded, most of them grade pretty high so it could be a chance to get a nice deal on your part, but really do some research, your not even looking at the same card. let me know, and if you dont like the seguin i likely have something else you would like



    [HIM] I know that Andrew, but the completed Ebay listings only showed 1 BGS 9.5 that sold for $500 and the error one that sold for $164. I'm not sure where else I'm supposed to find accurate pricing since I don't follow Ice rookies. To be honest, I am slightly offended with your assumption that I don't do any research.



    [ME] Brian, I'm not sure if the context of what I'm typing is making me sound hostile, but i feel no hostility whatsoever, I honestly was just trying to tread lightly in having you "do research yourself" rather than try to impose a value on my card when you were unsure about it. I'm sorry if i'm frustrating you or something, heres some info that i found on the card.

    http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Tyler-Seguin-2010-11-Upperdeck-Ice-Bgs-Gem-Mint-9-5-48-99-/160868109480?pt=US_Hockey_Trading_Cards&hash=item2 5747c8ca8

    is a completed lising of which im sure you have seen.

    http://www.ebay.ca/itm/2010-11-Upper-Deck-ICE-Premieres-Rookie-Card-105-TAYLOR-HALL-RC-Number-02-99-/261088310894?pt=US_Hockey_Trading_Cards&hash=item3 cca13766e

    here is an ungraded hall (which im sure sells for a little more than seguin)
    to be honest a lot of people who collect seguin own the ice rookies /99 so there wont be a lot of them for sale or to compare to...
    I have absolutely no problem with putting effort in, doing research, providing details, truth is theres not a lot i can show you as far as evidence of sales, I really and honestly mean no offense when i say for you to do research to find out for yourself, I would advise anyone who is dealing high end cards to do the same, I myself do that. I wouldn't want you to take my word for it, is all im saying. I was thinking ask some traders you know well, see what they think.. and get back to me, I honestly meant no harm at all, and would still love to trade with you.



    [HIM] I'll still consider an offer from you if you want to make one, but the exclusivity I was giving you will no longer apply. I have 8 others who have emailed me offering BGS 9.5 Tavares Ice /99, Eberle Ice /99, Eberle YG HG to Crosby Patch Autos. I will now be responding to their offers and taking the best deal I can find.

    [ME] My offer was a Seguin Ice /99 RC and 125 paypal, if your counter offer is still the Seguin +325 cash then i will have to decline, otherwise let me know. thanks


    [HIM] I'm just not interested enough in the Seguin Ice to agree to an offer like that. I'm going to pass.

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    Sometimes a deal works out and sometimes it doesn't. The guy wasn't interested in the Seguin, which is his choice, and he felt that the value assigned to it didn't line up with his own perceived value of the card. When that's the case, a deal isn't likely. Part ways, no hard feelings, on to the next offer.
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    This is not a case of either trader being difficult. You agreed with his valuation of around $500 for his card and he said he would sell it for $475. You wanted to do a trade & sale deal but in that situation you need to have a card he wants and values at $350 if you want to go $125 paypal.
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    1. Seguin ice rookie /99 does not and wont ever sell for anything near 160$ His valuation is way off on the card. (making it difficult)

    2. I was polite and had good communication yet he felt like I was verbally attacking him? (very difficult and confusing)

    3. He seemed to be reprimanding me for being so hostile, when i was nothing of the sort. shut down my offer on account of his misinformation, and put 0 effort into trying to work another deal with me.

    I get that he has every right to shut down my deal if hes not interested in it, and that part does not bother me at all. but this whole process of trying to make this trade was a terrible experience for me, confusing and frustrating, if you don't see it, then hopefully it happens to you a couple of times.

  5. #14
    Again, a case of the card holder thinking he/she is special. Just get on with it, it's a very, very small bump in the road.

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    Wow, I just saw this. Not a very good job on removing names there Andrew, I'm pretty sure anyone who's seen my card posted or has dealt with me before can identify me, so I might as well make a couple of points. It's one thing to publicly call me out and post our PRIVATE MESSAGES to tell your side of the story, but it's another when you knowingly omit a message I sent you to gain favor in your behalf. By the end of our conversation I had no ill feelings towards you, I just didn't have enough interest in the Seguin to agree to a deal, and in honest truth, I personally didn't see your version being worth $200 more than the /499 card just because UD made an error with the serial number. It's not like there are 600 of his Ice RC's out there.

    So to everyone who has posted and read Andrew's thread, here is the one email he decided to hide from you that I sent, it was towards the end our of dealings:





    Andrew,

    I think I would rather just let things remain civil between us and move on. I did my part in proving the value of my card through a series of links and actual selling prices. It is my belief that you should be able to do the same with yours instead throwing the onus on me. Telling me to more research on your card is a bit baffling considering you haven't put any effort in yourself to provide evidence of what it's worth. I have several others who have been patiently waiting for me to respond, so I sincerely wish you the best and will now start caring for those requests.

    Brian.

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    So after I kindly turned down his offer and told him I was moving on, he opted not to respect my wishes and continued emailing me trying to work out a deal. That's when I felt the need to be a little more direct and these messages where sent:

    [HIM] I'll still consider an offer from you if you want to make one, but the exclusivity I was giving you will no longer apply. I have 8 others who have emailed me offering BGS 9.5 Tavares Ice /99, Eberle Ice /99, Eberle YG HG to Crosby Patch Autos. I will now be responding to their offers and taking the best deal I can find.

    [ME] My offer was a Seguin Ice /99 RC and 125 paypal, if your counter offer is still the Seguin +325 cash then i will have to decline, otherwise let me know. thanks


    [HIM] I'm just not interested enough in the Seguin Ice to agree to an offer like that. I'm going to pass.

  8. #17
    Fairy Nuff....

    Glad to have now heard both sides of the story. My apologies to you clearshot. He made it sound that you thought your card was special. Great to see the truth come out.

    Now in regards to the OP? Do your laundry elsewhere.

    Thanks.

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    And with that, we be finished here.
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