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    Secession petitions filed in 20 states

    By Mike Krumboltz, Yahoo! News | The Lookout6 hrs ago

    In the wake of last week's presidential election, thousands of Americans have signed petitions seeking permission for their states to peacefully secede from the United States. The petitions were filed on We the People, a government website.

    States with citizens filing include Alabama, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oregon, South Carolina, Tennessee and Texas. Oddly, folks from Georgia have filed twice. Even stranger, several of the petitions come from states that went for President Barack Obama.
    The petitions are short and to the point. For example, a petition from the Volunteer State reads: "Peacefully grant the State of Tennessee to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own NEW government." Of all the petitions, Texas has the most signatures so far, with more than 23,000.
    Of course, this is mostly a symbolic gesture. The odds of the American government granting any state permission to go its own way are on par with winning the lottery while getting hit by a meteor while seeing Bigfoot while finding gluten-free pizza that tastes like the real thing.
    An article from WKRC quotes a University of Louisville political science professor who explained that these petitions aren't uncommon. Similar petitions were filed following the 2004 and 2008 elections. Still, should the petitions garner 25,000 signatures in a month, they will require an official response from the Obama administration.

    From the We the People site:
    The right to petition your government is guaranteed by the First Amendment of the United States Constitution. We the People provides a new way to petition the Obama Administration to take action on a range of important issues facing our country. We created We the People because we want to hear from you. If a petition gets enough support, White House staff will review it, ensure it's sent to the appropriate policy experts, and issue an official response.

    Not everybody who wants to secede is polite enough to write a petition. Peter Morrison, treasurer of the Hardin County (Texas) Republican Party, wrote a post-election newsletter in which he urges the Lone Star State to leave the Union.

    "We must contest every single inch of ground and delay the baby-murdering, tax-raising socialists at every opportunity. But in due time, the maggots will have eaten every morsel of flesh off of the rotting corpse of the Republic, and therein lies our opportunity... Why should Vermont and Texas live under the same government? Let each go her own way in peace, sign a free trade agreement among the states and we can avoid this gut-wrenching spectacle every four years."

  2. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by JustAlex View Post
    What a sorry bunch of sore losers.

    Where was the outrage by blue states when Bush was re-elected in 2004???

    BTW, both times that Bush won, he did so by a VERY small margin compared to the overwhelming margins that Obama has won his 2 elections!
    Guess I am one of those "sore losers" b/c I live in North Carolina who is a state that some are getting people to sign the petition. I voted this year and actually wrote my own name in for the President. So I guess people will look at me different and say something about me b/c I didn't vote for Romney or Obama. I could care less!

    Am I disappointed Obama won, yes. Thats my opininon.

    While I have not signed the petition, I do not see a problem with any of this. Do I agree 100% with what they are saying? No, but do I think that our country is going into more of a Socialist type government, yes. But that is my opinion and I don't care what anyone else says. I am 1 credit short of having a history degree and I have studied the history of politics and general American History and things are eerily similiar from when the Civil War happened.

    If someone wants to put their time and effort into this petition. Fine by me, it doesn't bother me b/c they have not threatened me to sign up. It is voluntarily and up to that person.
    Last edited by SLNoble13; 11-13-2012 at 02:32 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pghin08 View Post
    Has this ever happened to you?
    Not that I am aware of, but do you think there is anything from stopping it?

  4. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Wickabee View Post
    Did that guy actually go to jail for the video?
    One year sentence for a "probation violation".

    However, the MSM ignored this story:

    Speaking to the "Lars Larson Show," father of Seal Tyrone Woods -- who died defending the consulate and Benghazi -- told about his experience of meeting the President and Secretary Clinton at the memorial service for the fallen a few days after the attack. Charles Woods said that the President "couldn't look me in the eye" and "mumbled" an "I'm sorry" but that it didn't seem "genuine". He said the same of Secretary Clinton and that Clinton assured him that they were going to "arrest and prosecute" the man that made the scapegoated youtube video critical of Islam.

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    At least it shows knowledge of the process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tpeichel View Post
    Not that I am aware of, but do you think there is anything from stopping it?
    Well I think due process would stop it...
    You have the same worry with hackers as you do of the government.
    Collecting Ben Roethlisberger and Charlie Batch
    “The only real failure in life is not to be true to the best one knows.”-Buddha

  8. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by MadMan1978 View Post
    Well I think due process would stop it...
    You have the same worry with hackers as you do of the government.
    Really? Not according to these former NSA officials. This is what big government has become. Do not be surprised when true patriots rebel against the same type oftyranny that led to the formation of this country. Connect the dots and you'll see that once they have this database and software in place, they can ferret out the threats and take action. It's no small task to add a "dangerous" citizen to the terrorist "kill list" and then it's a simple matter of arming the drones that are currently patrolling the skies across the U.S and eliminating the threat.

    Far-fetched? Absolutely. But who would have guessed in 2012 that the government would be gathering a huge database on each citizen. (Maybe this post will make it into my personal dossier one day.) Who would have guessed that the President would have a "kill list" for U.S. citizens that would circumvent their due process? Who would have thoughts we would drones patrolling the skies across the U.S.?

    People who don’t like the idea of Google photographing their homes — and sniffing their wifi– will really hate this: The National Security Agency is compiling huge dockets of information on citizens including email and cell phone conversations, according to former NSA officials.

    Instead of government investigators figuring out which potential terrorists to investigate, the NSA technology will enable the automatic collection, search, and analysis of cell phone conversations and email of everyone. The tools then flag which people to watch, according to the former NSA hands.
    William Binney, Thomas Drake, and Kirk Wiebe appeared Monday night on Current TV’s Viewpoint to discuss the NSA program with host Eliot Spitzer, the former New York State Attorney General. What was new to me — news of the eavesdropping program started breaking in 2005 — was their contention that the effort, which started after 9/11, will use tools developed under the Obama Administration’s Big Data initiative to increase the scope of government’s view into our lives. The technology will automate the process of sorting through all that data to determine — without human intervention — who is a threat.
    They allege that the government is building a dossier on every citizen from that data — which will be stored in the secret Bluffdale, Utah data center. Software can then be run against that data to construct timelines about an individual’s personal life and a map of their social and business connections. Bluffdale, Binney said, will be able to store 100 years worth of the worlds’ electronic communication. “They’re accumulating [data] against everyone,” he told Spitzer. The website Technically Personal ran a good report on the show.
    For the record, Binney, Drake, and Wiebe were investigated as possible leaks when the New York Times started breaking the news of massive government snooping on citizens back in 2005, and are now providing evidence for an Electronic Freedom Foundation lawsuit against the NSA.
    There’s more unsettling news on this government spying front in Adam Liptak’s New York Times story about court-approved electronic surveillance. Liptak cites the concerns of Houston Judge Stephen W. Smith about the secretive nature of this information-gathering effort. Update: (Late last week, an NSA official acknowledged in a letter to a U.S. congressman, that the U.S. intelligence agencies had violated citizens’ Fourth Amendment rights at least once.)
    “Courts do things in public,” Smith told Liptak. “That’s the way we maintain our legitimacy. As citizens, we need to know how law enforcement is using this power.”
    But in an article Smith wrote for The Harvard Law & Policy Review, he said that court orders relating to surveillance might as well be “written in invisible ink.”
    But at least in those situations, there is a court order. It looks like when it comes to the government collecting data on us, no court order is necessary at all.

  9. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Wickabee View Post
    Did that guy actually go to jail for the video?
    Yeah.... Here is a link to a story... Although I don't know how much of a reputation this site has but here it is;

    Sorry, I realized someone had already posted a link with the story. I had just read the post/question and linked an article.
    Last edited by Zimbow; 11-13-2012 at 07:29 PM. Reason: Late response.

  10. #29
    Hmmm it says he went to jail for something unrelated but I shouldn't believe that it was unrelated. Then it doesn't say what the actual charge was or anything else, just a bunch of "Obama sucks".

    I'd like to know what the charge was at the very least.

  11. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Wickabee View Post
    Hmmm it says he went to jail for something unrelated but I shouldn't believe that it was unrelated. Then it doesn't say what the actual charge was or anything else, just a bunch of "Obama sucks".

    I'd like to know what the charge was at the very least.
    Why does that matter when a grieving father is told by the Secretary of State that the man responsible for her son's death (the director of the video) is going to be punished and sent to jail? Doesn't that make it pretty obvious that his sentence had nothing to do with parole violations? Unless you think the seal's father is lying?

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