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    Secession petitions filed in 20 states

    By Mike Krumboltz, Yahoo! News | The Lookout6 hrs ago

    In the wake of last week's presidential election, thousands of Americans have signed petitions seeking permission for their states to peacefully secede from the United States. The petitions were filed on We the People, a government website.

    States with citizens filing include Alabama, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oregon, South Carolina, Tennessee and Texas. Oddly, folks from Georgia have filed twice. Even stranger, several of the petitions come from states that went for President Barack Obama.
    The petitions are short and to the point. For example, a petition from the Volunteer State reads: "Peacefully grant the State of Tennessee to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own NEW government." Of all the petitions, Texas has the most signatures so far, with more than 23,000.
    Of course, this is mostly a symbolic gesture. The odds of the American government granting any state permission to go its own way are on par with winning the lottery while getting hit by a meteor while seeing Bigfoot while finding gluten-free pizza that tastes like the real thing.
    An article from WKRC quotes a University of Louisville political science professor who explained that these petitions aren't uncommon. Similar petitions were filed following the 2004 and 2008 elections. Still, should the petitions garner 25,000 signatures in a month, they will require an official response from the Obama administration.

    From the We the People site:
    The right to petition your government is guaranteed by the First Amendment of the United States Constitution. We the People provides a new way to petition the Obama Administration to take action on a range of important issues facing our country. We created We the People because we want to hear from you. If a petition gets enough support, White House staff will review it, ensure it's sent to the appropriate policy experts, and issue an official response.

    Not everybody who wants to secede is polite enough to write a petition. Peter Morrison, treasurer of the Hardin County (Texas) Republican Party, wrote a post-election newsletter in which he urges the Lone Star State to leave the Union.

    "We must contest every single inch of ground and delay the baby-murdering, tax-raising socialists at every opportunity. But in due time, the maggots will have eaten every morsel of flesh off of the rotting corpse of the Republic, and therein lies our opportunity... Why should Vermont and Texas live under the same government? Let each go her own way in peace, sign a free trade agreement among the states and we can avoid this gut-wrenching spectacle every four years."


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    And how is this not playing out as the constitution? There's a number to be reached to get an official response. That tells me this is a thought out, legal political process as defined by the constitution you claim to be upholding.
    Also, when you say "let them go" I don't think you're thinking things through. Trust me when I say I understand the sentiment. Look up "Quebec 1994 separation" to see what I mean. I thought the same thing but was very happy when they voted 51% to 49% to remain in Canada because I realized, even at age 10, that there would serious economic and social consequences that would reach the other end of the country where I was and still am. Texas alone has to be a MAJOR player in the American economy. Giving that up would send a ripple effect through remaining US and, if you think your economy looks bad now, you won't believe what it will likely look like if Texas and these other states were to leave.

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    You are missing my point the election was done by the Constitution. Which most are wishing to push in the face of the Liberals and Dems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMan1978 View Post
    You are missing my point the election was done by the Constitution. Which most are wishing to push in the face of the Liberals and Dems.
    So? You're missing my point that this is all being done by the constitution. My other points were it won't happen anyway and if the tables were turned the same people would looking in opposite directions. Just for recap.

    At the end of the day you can't call it unconstitutional or unAmerican if there are provisions for this in the American Constitution. Also, if you're going to continue thinking this way, that's fine, just don't start crying when someone tries to call your use of freedom of speech is unAmerican and unconstitutional.

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    I do admit that crying about the election is silly, it's a done deal, suck it up and move on.
    also the constitution does not say anything about secession, I believe this was already dealt with back in the 1860's

    our best bet is to figure this out without letting it make the economy worse than it is, and cutting hours and closing business' won't help us at all

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    Quote Originally Posted by shrewsbury View Post
    I do admit that crying about the election is silly, it's a done deal, suck it up and move on.
    also the constitution does not say anything about secession, I believe this was already dealt with back in the 1860's

    our best bet is to figure this out without letting it make the economy worse than it is, and cutting hours and closing business' won't help us at all
    Do these petitions in any way go against the constitution? Is there a government process to them? Does that process have to abide by the constitution?

    If they're acting within their rights, I see nothing unAmerican or unconstitutional about it. I agree with you guys that it's quite childish, but it's a right they are excersizing. There is nothing unAmerican about taking part in the political process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wickabee View Post
    Do these petitions in any way go against the constitution? Is there a government process to them? Does that process have to abide by the constitution?

    If they're acting within their rights, I see nothing unAmerican or unconstitutional about it. I agree with you guys that it's quite childish, but it's a right they are excersizing. There is nothing unAmerican about taking part in the political process.
    I agree with you Wickabee, imo it's pointless and stupid to sign one of these but not unamerican.

    Alex: When you talk about how great Europe is and can't wait until the USA is just like European countries and people tell you that you are unamerican and you should just move to Europe if you don't like it how it is here, you get mad don't you? Well you two are doing the exact same thing right now. Your inconsistency is ridiculous.
    Last edited by boba; 11-16-2012 at 07:06 PM.

  8. #97
    Quote Originally Posted by boba View Post
    I agree with you Wickabee, imo it's pointless and stupid to sign one of these but not unamerican.

    Alex and Madman: When you talk about how great Europe is and can't wait until the USA is just like European countries and people tell you that you are unamerican and you should just move to Europe if you don't like it how it is here, you get mad don't you? Well you two are doing the exact same thing right now. Your inconsistency is ridiculous.
    dude you are calling em out you better have something to back it up

    I have never once have said anything like that. Where I have i ever said that I wish we were more like Europe?
    I have held the same line period and NEVER wavered from that.

    again you try and connect things that are not there! nice try but try again!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMan1978 View Post
    dude you are calling em out you better have something to back it up

    I have never once have said anything like that. Where I have i ever said that I wish we were more like Europe?
    I have held the same line period and NEVER wavered from that.

    again you try and connect things that are not there! nice try but try again!
    Actually, you are right, I mainly meant Alex. I will edit my post.

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    Alex is famous for saying he wants the US to be like Europe and then getting called unAmerican for it.
    His point does stand with you though. Don't complain when you use your freedom of speech and someone calls it unAmerican. Regardless of what you say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wickabee View Post
    Alex is famous for saying he wants the US to be like Europe and then getting called unAmerican for it.
    His point does stand with you though. Don't complain when you use your freedom of speech and someone calls it unAmerican. Regardless of what you say.
    I'm not "that guy" haha, I've never called Alex unamerican or to move away. So I can complain when he calls these people unamerican.

    And the point of my post is that he is doing the same as those who call him unamerican.

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