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    Secession petitions filed in 20 states

    By Mike Krumboltz, Yahoo! News | The Lookout6 hrs ago

    In the wake of last week's presidential election, thousands of Americans have signed petitions seeking permission for their states to peacefully secede from the United States. The petitions were filed on We the People, a government website.

    States with citizens filing include Alabama, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oregon, South Carolina, Tennessee and Texas. Oddly, folks from Georgia have filed twice. Even stranger, several of the petitions come from states that went for President Barack Obama.
    The petitions are short and to the point. For example, a petition from the Volunteer State reads: "Peacefully grant the State of Tennessee to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own NEW government." Of all the petitions, Texas has the most signatures so far, with more than 23,000.
    Of course, this is mostly a symbolic gesture. The odds of the American government granting any state permission to go its own way are on par with winning the lottery while getting hit by a meteor while seeing Bigfoot while finding gluten-free pizza that tastes like the real thing.
    An article from WKRC quotes a University of Louisville political science professor who explained that these petitions aren't uncommon. Similar petitions were filed following the 2004 and 2008 elections. Still, should the petitions garner 25,000 signatures in a month, they will require an official response from the Obama administration.

    From the We the People site:
    The right to petition your government is guaranteed by the First Amendment of the United States Constitution. We the People provides a new way to petition the Obama Administration to take action on a range of important issues facing our country. We created We the People because we want to hear from you. If a petition gets enough support, White House staff will review it, ensure it's sent to the appropriate policy experts, and issue an official response.

    Not everybody who wants to secede is polite enough to write a petition. Peter Morrison, treasurer of the Hardin County (Texas) Republican Party, wrote a post-election newsletter in which he urges the Lone Star State to leave the Union.

    "We must contest every single inch of ground and delay the baby-murdering, tax-raising socialists at every opportunity. But in due time, the maggots will have eaten every morsel of flesh off of the rotting corpse of the Republic, and therein lies our opportunity... Why should Vermont and Texas live under the same government? Let each go her own way in peace, sign a free trade agreement among the states and we can avoid this gut-wrenching spectacle every four years."


    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/...190210006.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by drtom2005 View Post
    Not decided. The way the petitoning would be done is to all of the other states and they would decide if the state could leave. It has not been tried, so I do not know if it is legal. The courts would have to decide.
    So it's illegal to petition?

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    Also, are you guys really angry that Texans got angry and picked up pens instead of guns?

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    wickabee, here is an example f something we agree on that is not party based. though it is the republicans who lost the election, there is no way to say what the dems would be doing if they lost. I don't see this as a party issue, just unhappy Americans, but I have a feeling if romney would have won, things would be no better off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shrewsbury View Post
    wickabee, here is an example f something we agree on that is not party based. though it is the republicans who lost the election, there is no way to say what the dems would be doing if they lost. I don't see this as a party issue, just unhappy Americans, but I have a feeling if romney would have won, things would be no better off.
    Jay you really believe that? If The Dems did not do the say thing after 2000 they never will! I would say more the 98% are Tea Party backers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wickabee View Post
    So it's illegal to petition?
    To petiton the White House, since it would be a unilateral move. If they petitoned the White House, it should state that they want to petiton all of the other states for removal from the Union.

    Yes, the way they are petitioning is illegal right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wickabee View Post
    Also, are you guys really angry that Texans got angry and picked up pens instead of guns?
    Nope, I am not. I just find law more interesting lately. I wish more people did. :/

    Also, I hope people signing the petition are getting legal advice, becasue it could cause them trouble down the road.
    Last edited by drtom2005; 11-18-2012 at 04:02 PM.

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    Its not a unilateral move. They petition the federal government who then responds with a yes or no. Unilateral would be them just declaring Texas a state independent from the US. Just doing it, so to speak.

    Jay and MadMan, I believe the exact same people would be saying the opposite of what they are now. Weren't there petitions like this in '04?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wickabee View Post
    Its not a unilateral move. They petition the federal government who then responds with a yes or no. Unilateral would be them just declaring Texas a state independent from the US. Just doing it, so to speak.

    Jay and MadMan, I believe the exact same people would be saying the opposite of what they are now. Weren't there petitions like this in '04?
    That is the thing. According to the case law right now, they can not petition the Federal government for removal only(unilateral move). They would have to petition the other states. The petition to the Federal government should state that they want the government to file petitions/ballot measures with the other states for their removal from the union.

    Hence, it is illegal.

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    In which case the government should tell them to to back and do it right. But why is there the 25,000 stipulation for an official response?

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