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    Ny poised to be 1st to pass post-massacre gun bill

    By MICHAEL GORMLEY | Associated Press – 1 hr 33 mins ago

    ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) — Days after calling for an overhaul of gun control in New York following the Connecticut school shooting, Gov. Andrew Cuomo worked out a tough proposal on gun control with legislative leaders who promised to pass the most restrictive gun law in the nation.

    The measure passed the Senate 43-18 on the strength of support from Democrats, many of whom previously sponsored the bills that were once blocked by Republicans.

    The Democrat-led Assembly gaveled out before midnight and planned to take the issue up at 10 a.m. Tuesday. It is expected to pass easily.
    "This is a scourge on society," Cuomo said Monday night, one month after the Newtown, Conn., shooting that took the lives of 20 first graders and six educators. "At what point do you say, 'No more innocent loss of life.'"

    "It is well-balanced, it protects the Second Amendment," said Senate Republican leader Dean Skelos of Long Island. "And there is no confiscation of weapons, which was at one time being considered.



    "This is going to go after those who are bringing illegal guns into the state, who are slaughtering people in New York City," Skelos said. "This is going to put people in jail and keep people in jail who shouldn't be out on the street in the first place."

    "This will be the toughest gun control package in the nation," said Sen. Jeffrey Klein, leader of the Independent Democrat Conference that shares majority control with Republican senators. "All in all, it is a comprehensive, balanced approach that will save lives," Klein said in an interview.

    Cuomo said he wanted quick action to avoid a run on assault rifles and ammunition as he tries to address what he estimates is about 1 million assault rifles in New York state. He made it a centerpiece of his progressive agenda in last week's State of the State address.

    Republican Sen. Greg Ball called that political opportunism in a rare criticism of the popular and powerful governor seen by his supporters as a possible candidate for president in 2016.

    "We haven't saved any lives tonight, except one: the political life of a governor who wants to be president," said Ball who represents part of the Hudson Valley. "We have taken an entire category of firearms that are currently legal that are in the homes of law-abiding, tax paying citizens. ... We are now turning those law-abiding citizens into criminals."
    The governor confirmed the proposal, previously worked out in closed session, called for a tougher assault weapons ban and restrictions on ammunition and the sale of guns, as well as a mandatory police registry of assault weapons, grandfathering in assault weapons already in private hands.

    It would create a more powerful tool to require the reporting of mentally ill people who say they intend to use a gun illegally and would address the unsafe storage of guns, the governor confirmed.

    Under current state law, assault weapons are defined by having two "military rifle" features spelled out in the law. The proposal would reduce that to one feature and include the popular pistol grip.
    Private sales of assault weapons to someone other than an immediate family would be subject to a background check through a dealer. Also Internet sales of assault weapons would be banned, and failing to safely store a weapon could be subject to a misdemeanor charge.

    Ammunition magazines would be restricted to seven bullets, from the current 10, and current owners of higher-capacity magazines would have a year to sell them out of state. An owner caught at home with eight or more bullets in a magazine could face a misdemeanor charge.

    In another provision, a therapist who believes a mental health patient made a credible threat to use a gun illegally would be required to report the incident to a mental health director who would have to report serious threats to the state Department of Criminal Justice Services. A patient's gun could be taken from him or her.

    The legislation also increases sentences for gun crimes including the shooting of a first responder that Cuomo called the "Webster provision." Last month in the western New York town of Webster, two firefighters were killed after responding to a fire set by the shooter, who eventually killed himself.

    Legislators wouldn't comment on the tentative deal or the provisions discussed in closed-door conferences.
    "It's a tough vote," said Senate Deputy Majority Leader Thomas Libous of Broome County. "This is a very difficult issue depending on where you live in the state. I have had thousands of emails and calls ... and I have to respect their wishes."

    He said many of constituents worry the bill will conflict with the Second Amendment's right to bear arms while others anguish over shootings like at Newtown, Conn., and Columbine, Colo.

    A vote Monday would come exactly one month after a gunman killed 20 children and six educators inside Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown.

    The closed-door meetings prompted about a dozen gun workers to travel more than two hours to Albany to protest the legislation they say could cost 300 to 700 jobs in the economically hard-hit Mohawk Valley.

    "I have three small kids myself," said Jamie Rudall, a unionized worker who polishes shotgun receivers. "So I know what it means, the tragedy ... we need to look at ways to prevent that, rather than eliminate the rights of law-abiding citizens."

    In the gun debate, one concern for New York is its major gun manufacturer upstate.
    Remington Arms Co. makes the Bushmaster semi-automatic rifle that was used in the Connecticut shootings and again on Christmas Eve when the two firefighters were slain in Webster. The two-century-old Remington factory in Ilion in central New York employs 1,000 workers in a Republican Senate district.
    Assemblyman Marc Butler, a Republican who represents the area, decried the closed-door meetings by Senate Republicans and the Democratic majority of the Assembly as "politics at its worst."

    The bill would be the first test of the new coalition in control of the Senate, which has long been run by Republicans opposed to gun control measures. The chamber is now in the hands of Republicans and five breakaway Democrats led by Klein, an arrangement expected to result in more progressive legislation.

    Former Republican Sen. Michael Balboni said that for legislators from the more conservative upstate region of New York, gun control "has the intensity of the gay marriage issue." In 2011, three of four Republicans who crossed the aisle to vote for same-sex marriage ended up losing their jobs because of their votes.
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    AP Writer Michael Virtanen contributed to this report from Albany.

    http://news.yahoo.com/ny-poised-1st-...181248937.html

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    Duane thank you!....I needed a laugh for today and from your many posts i have found some good ones!

    You have done nothing but to compare the products! On so many posts- please dont make go find them-Io am really tired and an unwanted search like that would just give me a headache. So lets use a banned product. Lawn darts! My fav childhood toy! We have banned the production of this item. # wheel ATVs we banned those here in the states. Or should we follow with all the product bans or product requirements that are law's today because people were either hurt or killed from their use?


    Thus far you have failed one one simple means test in your debate. A valid reason to own an assault weapon! You have not give one!

    Now Do i think a 100% ban will stop the deaths from assault weapons? No I am no living in some dream world. However, I do think it will slow the rate. A weapons ban is not the only aspect of this argument. Having armed guards in schools in NOT the answer, arming teachers is not the answer, having MORE GUNS is NOT THE ANSWER! PERIOD! Violence begets violence!

    So a few additions to the NY proposals
    -Tougher back ground checks
    -tougher safety courses - Like taking drivers ed and needs to be required
    -Passing tests on gun safety - Just like when you get a driver permit and license - an yeah pass an vision test
    -renew gun licenses and permits - every 2 years
    -NO persons with mental health issues allowed a permit

    not all of them but a darn good start


    and Uncle Ted well he is gone bat stuff crazy! the pool is open on him fulfilling he threat!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMan1978 View Post
    -I m not finding one article to backup what you are saying about only hand guns were used
    At 1:21 of this video you can clealy see the long rifle was still in the car. It actually looks more like a shotgun to me.

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    Well where is Brushmaster .223?
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    "Show me an assault weapons ban that worked."

    Works very well in Canada, no problems whatsoever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMan1978 View Post
    Well where is Brushmaster .223?
    Nobody knows, see my thread for other weird stuff about sandy hook

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    N.Y. Gov. Cuomo signs tough new gun bill into law


    By Liz Goodwin, Yahoo! News | The Lookout – 5 hrs ago

    New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo is signing a tough and sweeping new gun control bill into law late Tuesday.

    The bill limits magazines to seven bullets; increases penalties for gun crimes; gives the state more power to take away guns from mentally ill people; and bans semi-automatic rifles and handguns that have a "military-style feature," such as a bayonet lug. The ban goes into effect immediately. People who already own such guns are grandfathered in but must register them with the state.

    New York is the first state to pass a gun law since the mass shooting in Newtown, Conn., sparked a national debate on gun violence.

    "I am proud to be governor, not just because New York has the first bill, but because New York has the best bill," Cuomo said before signing it. "I'm proud to be a New Yorker because New York is doing something, we are fighting back."


    The Republican-controlled Senate approved the bill on Monday night, with the Democratic Assembly approving it Tuesday afternoon. Blue state governors in several other states—including Connecticut, Maryland and Delaware—are also pushing for new gun laws.

    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/...214040530.html

    Watched this earlier from Senator Greg Ball;

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    we are not using muzzle loaders or one shot guns any more, a handun with 5 bullets could still kill a hundred people in less than a minute

    tell me how someone could not shoot as many rounds with a hand gun, here is the proof



    this is just as dangerous as any full auto firearm

    and now we have someone else determining what mental illness is and being able to take away guns for it. does this mean less people will be going to the doctor? more people will be calling in on their neighbors they think something is wrong with them?

    increase prison time for criminals with guns, make the prisons real prisons, a voucher or tax write off for a gun owner who buys a safe,
    we could make every public building and school like the airports

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMan1978 View Post
    Duane thank you!....I needed a laugh for today and from your many posts i have found some good ones!

    You have done nothing but to compare the products! On so many posts- please dont make go find them-Io am really tired and an unwanted search like that would just give me a headache. So lets use a banned product. Lawn darts! My fav childhood toy! We have banned the production of this item. # wheel ATVs we banned those here in the states. Or should we follow with all the product bans or product requirements that are law's today because people were either hurt or killed from their use?


    Thus far you have failed one one simple means test in your debate. A valid reason to own an assault weapon! You have not give one!

    Now Do i think a 100% ban will stop the deaths from assault weapons? No I am no living in some dream world. However, I do think it will slow the rate. A weapons ban is not the only aspect of this argument. Having armed guards in schools in NOT the answer, arming teachers is not the answer, having MORE GUNS is NOT THE ANSWER! PERIOD! Violence begets violence!

    So a few additions to the NY proposals
    -Tougher back ground checks
    -tougher safety courses - Like taking drivers ed and needs to be required
    -Passing tests on gun safety - Just like when you get a driver permit and license - an yeah pass an vision test
    -renew gun licenses and permits - every 2 years
    -NO persons with mental health issues allowed a permit

    not all of them but a darn good start


    and Uncle Ted well he is gone bat stuff crazy! the pool is open on him fulfilling he threat!
    you realize in most of the school shootings, the second police show up, the gunman either surrenders or kills themselves. They keep shooting until someone shows up who can stop them. Given that, how would having an armed guard at school not be a solution? How does that fall under the violence begets violence category?
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    http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/gudger.asp

    for example (which of course made next to no news)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ensbergcollector View Post
    you realize in most of the school shootings, the second police show up, the gunman either surrenders or kills themselves. They keep shooting until someone shows up who can stop them. Given that, how would having an armed guard at school not be a solution? How does that fall under the violence begets violence category?
    I think it's funny that people are against gun control so the government can't take over their home are perfectly in favour of that same government placing their children under the watch of armed guards.
    Basically saying, "The government might attack my house, but they'd never take my kids hostage," and then handing them over to armed government guards. The government is too incompetent to serve lunch, but they're capable of this.

    Makes no sense on two levels.

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