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  1. #41

    Rookie Evolution

    No, last year they weren't numbered but were definitely produced more than 1/1 for each. I'd guess more than /99 of each, actually, but don't know for sure.

    Overall, I think UD has done an admirable job in providing some value in a year when the rookie crop is at its lowest. Betcha they don't do a /99 rookie in every tin next year!

    Quote Originally Posted by cardscardscards View Post
    Did anyone realize that the Evolution is /99?
    Weren't those 1/1's last year? And weren't they better off remaining as 1/1's? I mean what's the use of scoring a multimedia device when what you want is sports memorabilia?

    I'm at a loss for words. UD, I give to you the facepalm along with a healthy dose of vitamin WTH.
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  2. #42
    I love the cup. I don't look for collecting the high end rookies as I can't spend money on event worn patches, but I like the overall style of the thick cards, and they look great in one touches. I bought one case in 07, and 5 boxes throughout the later years. Now I just buy singles which is fun searching for that card I want.

  3. #43
    I know your buying the product so Ill buy your Stone hits haha

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    lol! WHOOT! When is the release date?
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  4. #44
    We got some extra info from UD today about the product - worth a read:

    Recently Upper Deck went out with the solicitation for 2012-13 NHL The Cup and while many fans were fired up to hear the product would be back for the eigth consecutive year, there were a lot of assumptions made about the product on with collectors. Upper Deck wanted to reach out to some key partners to set the record straight on what they can expect from the groundbreaking brand that has redefined the premium category for NHL trading cards.

    ASSUMPTION: Nobody knows when this product is going to come out.

    ACTUALITY: The current release date is scheduled for 10/22/2013 and Upper Deck has done a lot to secure signature content from the most valuable veteran and legendary talent in the NHL for this release. Next week we will have a signing session with Wayne Gretzky to secure his autograph content and other big names are in house or have scheduled signings very soon.

    ASSUMPTION: The Cup will be $600 per tin this year.

    ACTUALITY: Though we don’t ultimately determine what tins will sell for on the secondary market, the wholesale price for tins of this year’s Cup will remain the same as what we sold tins of 2011-12 Cup to distributors and dealers.

    ASSUMPTION: All of the Cup Rookies will be numbered to 99

    ACTUALITY: There are 39 players featured with Rookie Auto Patch cards in this year’s Cup. Of those, 36 are #’d to 249 per and only three (Kreider, Baerstchi and Jaden Schwartz) are #’d to 99. The decision to limit the number of Rookies #’d to 99 was made to avoid weakening the historic context of key rookies being “honored” with this key print run in The Cup.

    ASSUMPTION: Limited Logos are now serial #’d as high as 75 copies per card.

    ACTUALITY: This was a snafu with the mock up, the creative has been correncted (attached). Limited Logos will not exceed more than 50 serial #’d copies per card for any single subject. Of note, a handful of short-prints #’d of 10 or 25 will be in the set due to limits on the inventory of patch available in our inventory.

    ASSUMPTION: The new Autographed Monumental Patch Booklets might feature manufactured patches.

    ACTUALITY: All of the veteran cards are 1-of-1’s and feature game-worn jersey patches. All of the Rookie cards are #’d of 3 copies per and feature patches derived from jerseys worn by the rookies at the annual NHLPA Rookie Photo Shoot event. Of note, all of the patches are cut in a puzzle-like fashion to be displayed as one massive patch when the booklet is opened (see actual samples below).

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    ASSUMPTION: The Rookie Evolution Booklets are #’d to 99 (meaning last year’s cards MUST have had a print run of 99 copies per too).

    ACTUALITY: The image of the Jake Allen Rookie Evolution card on the solicitation slides was a mock-up. The serial #ing was erroneously placed on the card by a designer. Similar to the Rookie Evolution cards issued in 2011-12 The Cup, this new wave of cards (limited to four subjects . . . Kreider, Schwartz, Rynnas and Jake Allen) will NOT be serial #’d in any manner. Additionally, there are far, far fewer than 99 copies of each of these cards produced. On average a 2012-13 Rookie Evolution redemption card will be seeded at a rate of about one in every 30 tins.

    ASSUMPTION: Each tin will feature two base set cards.

    ACTUALITY: The solicitation sheet was deliberately conservative regarding the volume of base set cards seeded into packs. In actuality, each tin will have one base set card and most tins will have an additional auto or memorabilia card as the 6th card (though a limited number might actually have two base cards).

    ASSUMPTION: Autograph content will be more veteran-based this year.

    ACTUALITY: That’s correct, but not just veterans, legends. Given the lack of 2012-13 rookie content (both in number of rookies available and impact of the rookie class in the NHL and collecting circles), we made a conscientious effort to incorporate significant veteran signers including superstars that have never signed Cup cards (or haven’t signed in many years) like Peter Forsberg, Pavel Bure, Theo Fleury and Mats Sundin.

    ASSUMPTION: The Cup will have a significantly smaller print run than past years.

    ACTUALITY: That’s correct . . . it will be, by far, the most limited Cup we’ve made since its inception. This is one of the reasons there have been concerns about the price. Dealers are worried because it is VERY limited and could be difficult to acquire in great quantities.

    ASSUMPTION: A variety on long-standing inserts like Emblems of Endorsement, Enshrinements and Scripted Swatches will not be part of the content mix this year.

    ACTUALITY: All of these popular inserts will be included in the product. They simply weren’t specifically called out on the solicitation slides.

    ASSUMPTION: The Ultimate Collection bonus packs will be filled with “one dollar jersey cards”.

    ACTUALITY: Each Ultimate Collection bonus pack will feature one base card and one “hit”. All of the Ultimate Collection “hits” are limited to autograph cards or patch cards . . . that’s it. No basic jersey inserts were produced. Amongst the “hits”, look for 1-of-1 Rookie Auto Shields, all-new Signature Masterpieces art cards signed in gold paint pen and the second installation of 1997 Legends Signatures including Gretzky (featured as a member of the Los Angeles Kings), Orr and Lemieux.

    I hope this helps. Let me know if you have other questions on this highly anticipated release.


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  5. #45
    That clears some things up! Thanks for the info Richard!
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  6. #46
    if its the most limited this years cup then im sure the price for a tin will not be far from 600$ that would make sense actually.
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  7. #47
    bahahahahaha, VERY LIMITED, they say this every year, it's getting old.

    With the 'extra' veteran content this years Cup should be quite exciting to open. I personally don't buy The Cup to hit the rookies to 99, I buy cup for the HOF and veteran content, this update is fantastic! I've got two cases preordered!

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    ASSUMPTION: Autograph content will be more veteran-based this year.

    ACTUALITY: That’s correct, but not just veterans, legends. Given the lack of 2012-13 rookie content (both in number of rookies available and impact of the rookie class in the NHL and collecting circles), we made a conscientious effort to incorporate significant veteran signers including superstars that have never signed Cup cards (or haven’t signed in many years) like Peter Forsberg, Pavel Bure, Theo Fleury and Mats Sundin.

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  10. #50
    Let's be honest, this will be "limited" to as many as they can crank out. There may be slightly fewer cases than in the past, but not many. And yes, the price won't be $600/tin, but I'll eat my hat if the price is less than $500/tin. Finally, Release date of OCTOBER 22nd FOR A 2012/13 PRODUCT?! Why would ANYONE waste their money on this? And yes, it will be an INCREDIBLE waste when you can wait just a few short weeks and get CASES of regular UD with the double RC's that will have Rookies people actually care about.

    It's incredibly obvious that UD is including the Ultimate bonus packs to justify the high price point and to goose sales. The Cup will do well upon initial release, but I truly expect those tins to come down to at least $300 each, if not lower within 6 months. Absolutely nothing in there that you will care about 3 months down the line. And no, you can't, "Say that about every Cup product". People always love to go back to previous years and crack for the RC's that may have been missed, broke out huge, etc. With this "2012/13" product you'll be getting garbage RC's (Hello, 2004/05 UD!) that no one will care about as soon as the product hits the shelves. No thanks, I'll wait for UD Series 1 and then SP Authentic.
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