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07-12-2006, 09:19 AM #1
looking for vince young cards. list inside.
here are the vince youngs that i already have:
2006 Fleer Ultra Vince Young Lucky 13’s Signature Rookie Card #/25
2006 Elite Status Vince Young Auto Die Cut Rookie Card #221 - 15/24
2006 Topps DP & P Vince Young Class Marks Auto Silver Rookie Card #CM-VY 30/50
2006 Donruss Classics Vince Young Auto Rookie Card #106 097/100
2006 Aspire Vince Young Rookie Card #3
2006 Aspire Vince Young Rookie Card #35
2006 Aspire Vince Young Five Star Rookie Card #FS-21 Horns Hooked’em
2006 Aspire Vince Young Five Star Rookie Card #FS-23 Rosebowl MVP
2006 Aspire Vince Young Five Star Rookie Card #FS-24 Running Quarterback
2006 Press Pass Paydirt Vince Young Rookie Card #PD 1/12
2006 Press Pass SE Vince Young Checklist Rookie Card #40
2006 Press Pass SE Vince Young Rookie Card #39
2006 Press Pass SE Vince Young Rookie Gold Card #G39
2006 Press Pass SE Vince Young Class Of 2006 Rookie Card #CL 9/9
2006 Press Pass Vince Young Rookie Card #9A
2006 Press Pass Vince Young Rookie Card #11
2006 Press Pass Vince Young Old School Rookie Card #OS21/27
2006 Press Pass Vince Young Power Pick Rookie Card #48
2006 Sage Hit Vince Young Rookie Card #10
2006 Sage Hit Vince Young Design For Success Rookie Card #D-10
2006 Prestige Vince Young Rookie Card #246
2006 Prestige Vince Young Big Numbers Rookie Card #BN21/33
2006 Fleer Vince Young Fleer Futures Card #197
2006 Elite Vince Young/Cedric Benson College Ties Jersey Rookie Card #CT-9 016/250
2006 Elite Vince Young/Cedric Benson College Ties Rookie Card #CT-9 447/1000
here is what i have to trade.
Basketball List:
2005-06 Upper Deck SP Authentic Basketball complete card set numbered 1-90. (I have 2 sets available)
2005-06 Upper Deck SP Authentic Basketball Rookie Card of Shavlik Randolf numbered 028/100
2005-06 Upper Deck SP Authentic Basketball Rookie Card of Alex Acker numbered 942/999
2005-06 Upper Deck SP Authentic Basketball Sensational Sigs card of Ersan Ilyasova
2005-06 Upper Deck SP Authentic Wilt Chamberlain Card #39
2005-06 Upper Deck SP Authentic Carmelo Anthony Card #20
2005-06 Upper Deck SP Authentic Allen Iverson Card #64
2005-06 Upper Deck SP Authentic Yao Ming Card #30
2005-06 Upper Deck Hardcourt Rookie Card of Jason Maxiell numbered 1233/1750.
2005-06 Tony Allen Upper Deck Hardcourt Materials Card
2005-06 Sweet Shot Rookie Card of Danny Granger numbered 0917/1599
2005-06 Sweet Shot Rookie Card of Arvydas Macijauskas numbered 0400/1599
2005-06 Sweet Shot Rookie Card of Ersan Ilyasova numbered 0210/1599
2005-06 Upper Deck Game Jersey of Aaron Williams
2005-06 Upper Deck NBA Hardcourt Random Cards (Contact me with inquiry)
2005-06 Upper Deck Sweet Shot Random Cards (Contact me with inquiry)
2005-06 Upper Deck SPx Random Cards (Contact me with inquiry)
2005-06 Upper Deck Random Cards (Contact me with inquiry)
1993-94 Fleer Ultra Chris Webber Rookie Card #252
1993-94 Fleer Ultra Anfernee Hardaway Rookie Card #305
1993-94 Classic Anfernee Hardaway Rookie Card #LP2
05-06 Upper Deck Kobe Bryant Card #79 – bv $3
05-06 SP Authentic Kobe Bryant Card #38 (x2) – bv $4
05-06 Upper Deck SPx Carmelo Anthony Card #20 – bv $2.50
05-06 Upper Deck Carmelo Anthony Card #41 – bv $1.50
05-06 Upper Deck Hardcourt Carmelo Anthony Card #19 - $1.50
05-06 SP Authentic Carmelo Anthony Card #20 (x2) – bv $2
05-06 Upper Deck Dwayne Wade Card #94 – bv $2.50
05-06 Upper Deck SPx Dwayne Wade Card #44 – bv $4
05-06 Upper Deck Hardcourt Dwayne Wade Card #43 – bv $2.50
05-06 SP Authentic Dwayne Wade Card #44 (x3) – bv $3
05-06 Upper Deck Michael Jordan Card #23 – bv $5
05-06 SP Authentic Michael Jordan Card #12 (x3) – bv $6
92-93 Upper Deck Michael Jordan Card #23
95-96 Flair Style Michael Jordan Card #235
05-06 Upper Deck Dirk Nowitzki Card #34 – bv $1.25
05-06 Upper Deck Hardcourt Dirk Nowitzki Card #16 – bv $1.25
05-06 SP Authentic Dirk Nowitzki Card #16 (x2) – bv $1.50
05-06 Upper Deck Hardcourt Tracy McGrady Card #28 – bv $2
05-06 Upper Deck SPx Tracy McGrady Card #29 – bv $3
05-06 Upper Deck SPx Kevin Garnett Card #50 – bv $2.50
05-06 Upper Deck Hardcourt Kevin Garnett Card #49 – bv $1.50
05-06 SP Authentic Kevin Garnett Card #49 – bv $2
05-06 SP Authentic Allen Iverson Card #64 (x2) – bv $2
05-06 Upper Deck Allen Iverson Card #139 – bv $1.50
05-06 Upper Deck Hardcourt Allen Iverson Card # 64 – bv $1.50
05-06 Upper Deck SPx Allen Iverson Card #65 – bv $2.50
05-06 Upper Deck SPx Shaquille O’Neal Card #46 – bv $3
05-06 SP Authentic Shaquille O’Neal Card #45 (x2) – bv $2.50
05-06 SP Authentic Vince Carter Card #54 (x2) – bv $2.5
05-06 SP Authentic Lebron James Card #14 (x2) – bv $6
05-06 Upper Deck Hardcourt Lebron James Card #14 – bv $5
05-06 Upper Deck Sweet Shot Lebron James Card #16 – bv $6
05-06 Upper Deck SPx Lebron James Card #15 – bv $8
05-06 Upper Deck Lebron James Card #27 – bv $5
2005-2006 Luxury Box Charlie Villanueva Jersey Rc #/25
Football List:
2006 Aspire Matt Leinart Card #2 (3 Available)
2006 Aspire Matt Leinart Card #34
2006 Aspire Vince Young Card #3
2006 Aspire Vince Young Card # 35 (3 Available)
2006 Aspire Mario Williams Card #4 (2 Available)
2006 Aspire Vernon Davis Card #6 (4 Available)
2006 Aspire Lindale White Card #7 (3 Available)
2006 Aspire Michael Robinson Card #12 (3 Available)
2006 Aspire Joseph Addai Card #13 (3 Available)
2006 Aspire Sinorice Moss Card #22 (3 Available)
2006 Aspire Jason Avant Card #23 (4 Available)
2006 Aspire Laurence Maroney Card #24 (2 Available)
2006 Aspire Jay Cutler Card #36 (3 Available)
2006 Upper Deck SP Authentic Aaron Brooks Gold Card Numbered 02/25
2006 Upper Deck SP Authentic Michael Vick Card #4
2006 Upper Deck SP Authentic Walter Payton Card #15
2006 Upper Deck SP Authentic Brian Urlacher Card #16
2006 Upper Deck SP Authentic Carson Palmer Card #17
2006 Upper Deck SP Authentic Roy Williams Card #27
2006 Upper Deck SP Authentic Kevin Jones Card #28
2006 Upper Deck SP Authentic Brett Favre Card #30
2006 Upper Deck SP Authentic Edgerrin James Card #37
2006 Upper Deck SP Authentic Eli Manning Card #56
2006 Upper Deck SP Authentic Randy Moss Card #62
2006 Upper Deck SP Authentic Donovan McNabb Card #65
2006 Upper Deck SP Authentic Terrell Owens Card #67
2006 Upper Deck SP Authentic Ben Roethlisberger Card #68
2006 Upper Deck SP Authentic Ladainian Tomlinson Card #73
2006 Fleer Ultra Shawne Merriman Card #162 – 61/99
2006 Fleer Ultra Roger Staubach Campus Classics
2006 Fleer Ultra Joe Theisman Campus Classics
2006 Fleer Ultra Trent Green Ultra Stars Jersey Card
2006 Fleer Ricky Williams Fleer Fabrics Card
2006 Topps DP & P Tye Hill Senior Standouts Jersey Card
2006 Topps DP & P D.J. Shockley Class Marks Auto Card #CM-DJ
2006 Sage Hit Vince Young Rookie Card #10
2006 Press Pass Vince Young Rookie Card #11
2006 Press Pass Vince Young Big Numbers Rookie Card #BN21/23
2006 Press Pass Vince Young Paydirt Rookie Card #PD1/12
2006 Press Pass Vince Young Power Pick Rookie Card #48
2006 Prestige Vince Young Rookie Card #246
2006 Press Pass SE Vince Young Old School Card #OS 21/27
2004 Donruss Playoff Hog Heaven Chad Johnson Jersey Card MH-7 (031/150) bv $10
2004 Topps Chad Johnson Pro-Bowl Relic Jersey Card #PB-CJ bv $15
2003 Upper Deck Chad Johnson Auto Jersey Card #GJ-CJ (21/33) no bv due to low numbering
2003 Fleer Ultra Larry Johnson Auto Rookie Card #ULJ bv $100
2003 Sage Larry Johnson Auto Bronze Rookie Card #A23 bv $50
2005 Sage Hit Lindale White Autographed Rookie Card #A21
1995 Prime Playoff Warren Sapp Rookie Card #190
1995 Prime Playoff Brett Favre Card #35
1995 Prime Playoff Reggie White Card #2
1995 Prime Playoff Shannon Sharp Mini Card #32
1996 Pinnacle Zenith John Elway Card #Z-36
1994 Flair Jerry Rice Hot Numbers 80 Card #9 of 15
1994 Skybox Impact Jerry Rice Card #232
1994 Pinnacle Jerry Rice Card #181
1994 Select Jerry Rice Card #21
1995 Prime Playoff Jerry Rice Card #100
1995 Skybox Jerry Rice Style Points Card #144
1995 Fleer Jerry Rice Card #348
1995 Steve Young Prime Playoff Card #56
06 Topps DP & P Brad Smith Rookie Card #113 x2
06 Topps DP & P Michael Robinson Rookie Card #115
06 Topps DP & P Anthony Fasono Rookie Card #117
06 Topps DP & P Leon Washington Rookie Card #118
06 Topps DP & P Laurance Maroney Rookie Card #119
06 Topps DP & P Martin Nance Rookie Card #120 x2
06 Topps DP & P Demetrius Williams Rookie Card #121
06 Topps DP & P AJ Nicholson Rookie Card #122 x2
06 Topps DP & P Chad Jackson Rookie Card #125
06 Topps DP & P Mike Haas Rookie Card #126 x3
06 Topps DP & P Hank Baskett Rookie Card #129 x2
06 Topps DP & P Chad Greenway Rookie Card #131
06 Topps DP & P Charlie Whitehurst Rookie Card #133
06 Topps DP & P Darrell Hackney Rookie Card #134 x2
06 Topps DP & P Mathias Kiwanuka Rookie Card #136 x2
06 Topps DP & P Drew Olson Rookie Card #139
06 Topps DP & P Maurice Stovall Rookie Card #140 x2
06 Topps DP & P Greg Lee Rookie Card #146
06 Topps DP & P Dominique Byrd Rookie Card #147 x2
06 Topps DP & P Leonard Pope Rookie Card #148
06 Topps DP & P Haloti Ngata Rookie Card #150
06 Topps DP & P Ernie Sims Rookie Card #152
06 Topps DP & P Maurice Drew Rookie Card #156 x2
06 Topps DP & P Q,Dwell Jackson Rookie Card #161 x2
06 Topps DP & P Antonio Cromartie Rookie Card #163
06 Topps DP & P Brett Favre Black Border Refractor Card #17
06 Topps DP & P Kevin Jones Black Border Refractor Card #71
06 Topps DP & P Scottie Vines Black Border Refractor Card #56
06 Topps DP & P Warrick Dunn Gold Border Refractor Card #43 – 251/299
06 Topps DP & P Black Border Chrome Cards:
Mark Clayton Card #40
Troy Williamson Card #36
Torry Holt Card #9
Antonio Gates Card #15
Steven Jackson Card #73
Kyle Orton Card #38
Billy Volek Card #46
Julius Jones Card #48
Carnell Williams Card #22
Fred Taylor Card #31
Roy Williams Card #59
Chris Simms Card #34
Brian Westbrook Card #81
Frank Gore Card #32
Jerome Bettis Card #95
Clinton Portis Card #37
Charles Rogers Card #50
Greg Lewis Card #108
06 Prestige Erik Meyer Rookie Card #157
06 Prestige Bruce Gradowski Rookie Card #166
06 Prestige Cedric Griffen Rookie Card # 167
06 Prestige Cedric Humes Rookie Card #168
06 Prestige Delanie Walker Rookie Card #180
06 Prestige Hank Baskett Rookie Card #195
06 Prestige Joe Klopfenstein Rookie Card #204
06 Prestige Ko Simpson Rookie Card #212
06 Prestige Mike Hass Rookie Card #228
06 Prestige Tauren Henderson Rookie Card #239
06 Prestige Terrence Whitehead Rookie Card #240
06 Prestige Todd Watkins Rookie Card #242
06 Prestige Wali Lundy Rookie Card #247
06 Fleer Darnell Bing Fleer Futures Card #124
06 Fleer Santonio Holmes Fleer Futures Card #185
06 Fleer DeAngelo Williams Fleer Futures Card #128
06 Fleer Maurice Drew Fleer Futures Card #174
06 Fleer Vernon Davis Fleer Futures Card #196
06 Fleer Joseph Addai Fleer Futures Card #153
06 Fleer Futures David Thomas Fleer Futures Card #126
06 Fleer Mario Williams Fleer Futures Card #169
06 Fleer Chad Jackson Fleer Futures Card #117
06 Fleer Michael Robinson Fleer Futures Card #177
06 Fleer Brodie Croyle Fleer Futures Card #113
06 Fleer Laurence Maroney Fleer Futures Card #160
06 Fleer Brandon Williams Fleer Futures Insert Card #111
06 Fleer Tavaris Jackson Fleer Futures Insert Card #190
06 Fleer Bruce Gradkowski Fleer Futures Insert Card #115
06 Fleer Lawrence Vickers Fleer Futures Insert Card #161
06 Fleer Mike Hass Fleer Futures Insert Card #178
remaining 06 Fleer Rookies
102, 103, 105, 106, 109, 111, 114, 116, 118, 120, 121,123, 125, 127, 129, 131, 132, 134, 135, 136, 137, 138, 140, 142, 143, 147, 148, 149, 151, 152, 154, 156, 158, 159, 163, 164, 166, 170, 171, 172, 175, 181, 184, 188, 189, 192, 194, 195, 199, 200
06 Fleer Santonio Holmes Fresh Faces Card #FR-SH
06 Fleer Mario Williams Fresh Faces Card #FR-MW
06 Fleer Maurice Stovall Fresh Faces Card #FR-MS
06 Fleer Michael Huff Fresh Faces Card #FR-MH
06 Fleer Lindale White Fresh Faces Card #FR-LW
06 Topps DP & P Cory Rodgers Rookie Card #158
06 Topps DP & P Abdul Hodge Rookie Card #159
06 Topps DP & P Greg Jennings Black Border Refractor Rookie Card #141
06 Fleer Brian Calhoun Fleer Futures Card #112
06 Fleer Lindale White Fleer Futures Card #162
06 Fleer Greg Jennings Fleer Futures Card #110
1994 Skybox Complete Set 1-200 (Marshall Faulk Rookie Year)
2006 Fleer Ultra Gold Medallions Card List:
2, 8, 11, 13, 26, 50, 53, 60, 61, 66, 71, 98, 105, 117, 126, 131, 140, 146, 154, 167, 171, 188, 196, 197
Common Card List:
2005-06 Upper Deck Basketball Card List:
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75, 77, 78, 79, 80, 81, 82, 83, 84, 85, 86, 87, 88, 89, 90, 91, 92, 94, 95, 96, 97, 98, 99, 100, 101, 102, 103, 105, 106, 108, 109, 110, 111, 112, 114, 118, 119, 120, 123, 124, 126, 127, 128, 129, 130, 132, 135, 136, 137, 138, 139, 141, 144, 145, 146, 147, 148, 150, 152, 154, 155, 156, 157, 158, 159, 160, 162, 163, 164, 165, 166, 168, 169, 171, 172, 173, 174, 175, 176, 177, 181, 182, 183, 186, 187, 189, 190, 191, 192, 193, 195, 196, 198, 199, 200, 202, 206, 212, 213, 218, 219,
2005-06 Upper Deck SP Authentic NFL Football Card List:
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 58, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80, 81, 82, 83, 84, 85, 86, 87, 88, 89, 90
2005 Upper Deck SP Authentic NBA Basketball Card List:
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 58, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80, 81, 82, 83, 84, 85, 86, 87, 88, 89, 90
2005 Upper Deck SP Authentic NBA Basketball Card List:
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 58, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80, 81, 82, 83, 84, 85, 86, 87, 88, 89, 90, 147, 149
2005 Upper Deck Hardcourt NBA Basketball Card List:
1,2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 11, 12, 13, 15, 16, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 33, 34, 35, 36, 40, 41, 42, 43, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80, 81, 82, 83, 84, 85, 86, 87, 89, 90, 95
2005 Upper Deck Sweet Shot NBA Basketball Card List:
6, 8, 13, 14, 21, 22, 24, 29, 30, 32, 37, 38, 40, 45, 46, 48, 53, 54, 61, 62, 64, 69, 70, 71, 77, 78, 80, 85, 86, 88, 93, 94, 96, 119, 128, 130
2005-06 Upper Deck SPx NBA Basketball Card List:
1, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, 11, 12, 13, 16, 18, 19, 20, 21, 23, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 32, 33, 34, 36, 39, 40, 41, 42, 44, 46, 47, 48, 50, 51, 54, 55, 58,60, 61, 62, 63, 65, 67, 68, 69, 72, 74, 75, 76, 77, 79, 81, 82, 83, 84, 85, 86, 88, 89, 90
2006 Playoff Prestige NFL Football Card List:
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 32, 34, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 53, 55, 56, 57, 58, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 75, 77, 78, 79, 80, 81, 82, 83, 84, 85, 86, 87, 89, 91, 92, 93, 94, 95, 96, 97, 98, 99, 100, 101, 102, 103, 104, 105, 106, 107, 108, 109, 110, 111, 112, 113, 114, 115, 116, 117, 118, 119, 120, 121, 122, 123, 124, 125, 126, 127, 128, 129, 130, 131, 132, 133, 134, 135, 136, 137, 138, 139, 140, 141, 142, 143, 144, 145, 146, 147, 148, 149, 150
2006 Donruss Elite Card List:
1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 16, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 26, 27, 28, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 42, 43, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 58, 59, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 68, 69, 70, 71, 73, 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80, 81, 83, 85,87, 88, 89, 90, 91, 92, 93, 94, 95, 96, 97, 98, 99, 100
2006 Fleer Card List:
3, 7, 8, 9, 10, 16, 17, 18, 19, 23, 27, 28, 29, 33, 34, 35, 40, 43, 44, 45, 46, 52, 54, 55, 57, 59, 62, 63, 66, 68, 70, 73, 78, 79, 80, 81, 86, 89, 91, 93, 94, 97, 99
Michael Redd, T.J. Ford, & Mo Williams Autographed Authentic NBA Ball and Stand
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07-12-2006, 04:37 PM #2
i know someone has something i need.
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07-12-2006, 09:50 PM #3
to the top
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07-12-2006, 10:16 PM #4
Grrr...you have one card I really need. The status auto /24. My sig on another site looks stupid with a Young TOTC /100, Stovall and Fasano Status autos /24
Too bad you collect him...
I do have a couple autos of his on ebay right now, but there's nothing I see I can use(other than the Status that isn't ft) :(
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07-12-2006, 10:20 PM #5
which ones you got. i am always looking to buy. you got a list of all the youngs you got. all the youngs are off limits, too much time & money invested now.
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07-12-2006, 10:26 PM #6
nope, no list. haven't been buying hardcore. can't really afford 3 player collections so I'm buying a little here and there. The ones I have on ebay are his Press Pass Blue Auto /50 (Red Ink) and Power Pick Red Ink auto /150
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07-12-2006, 10:29 PM #7
what are you looking for on them? or are you just planning on letting the auction end? the reason i ask is then you dont have to pay final value fee.
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07-12-2006, 10:33 PM #8
Last auto /50 went for almost $173 pre-shipped
The power picks range from about $100 shipped to the most recent went BIN for $175(but that dude overpaid)
If you wanted both, I could do $250
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07-12-2006, 10:39 PM #9
i guess i would be more interested in the power pick. is there anything i could add? i dont have a lot of cash right now because i just bought the donruss classic auto.
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07-12-2006, 10:52 PM #10
not really, just looking to sell. booked my honeymoon last week, trying to come up with the scraps to pay it off by the time I get my statement. If it weren't for that, I wouldn't be selling these :(
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