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08-12-2015, 08:31 AM #11Hockey Advisor
Makarov, you're ignoring the fact that he was already over 30 when he got to the NHL and his best year's were behind him. Looking at the whole body there, not just the NHL stuff. It's something I think the HHOF needs to do a better job of..... remember that they're the Hockey Hall of Fame, and not the NHL Hall of Fame..... he was so good from the mid/late 70s through to when he finally came to North America - I'd put him in.
Verbeek, it's also a whole body of work. Anyone with more than 500 goals gets my vote (just like the 400 wins for goalies). His career points are good (1063) but if there were slanted a little more in favor of assists.... if he hadn't cracked the 500 goal mark...... I'd probably remove the name from my list.
Neely was a good player, and I'll admit he's my favorite one to pick on when it comes to the Hall of Fame. I just don't see it. I get that his career was cut shot due to injuries... and while I will argue that Lindros & Karyia shouldn't have their injuries count against them - it's because they were the best players in the world, at what they did, for an extended period of time. Lindros was the best player in the entire league for a span that lasted close to 3 years. Karyia was a top winger for a really, really long time... and then tailed off really quickly at the end.
Neely..... he had three really good seasons, and a bunch of good seasons. I'll admit that Lindros & Karyia don't exactly have mantels filled with all the hardware they won as NHLers.... but 3 First Team All Stars for Karyia.... and the whole Hart / Pearson thing for Lindros.... that's a lot more than Neely ever did IMO.
To me the difference is that the hockey world wept when good Canadian boy Cam Neely got hurt and his career was derailed. He was ushered into the HOF once the opportunity came up. Eric Lindros was a jerk to a lot of people, and his HOF chances have been beat up because of it.
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08-12-2015, 09:16 AM #12
You will never convince anyone that Pat Verbeek was better than Cam Neely. If Neely played as many games as Verbeek with his career goals and points per game average he would have had 768 goals and 1350 points. Obviously you have to factor in decline because his Avgs would have dropped off a little when he got older but still just look at the numbers.
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08-12-2015, 09:23 AM #13Hockey Advisor
If Cam Neely had played as many games as Pat Verbeek, he'd most likely have numbers that would make people like me shut up about him being in the HOF :) You're right.... the numbers would tail off, but he'd have put up a really, really nice career.
Cam Neely at his best was better than Pat Verbeek at his best. No doubt, I will not try and argue against that point - because I'd be wrong.
I say Verbeek had the better career, and is a better HOF candidate. He broke 500 goals, 1000 points.
Should "Player X" be in the HOF? I'd vote yes due to stats that only a long career can achieve, or "okay" career stats accompanied by an impressive list of awards & achievements.
Not trying to hijack the original post though :) I will go back to agreeing with the OP that Kariya, Tkachuk, Joseph and Osgood are among the 4 most deserving "not yet in the hall" players out there.
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08-12-2015, 11:12 AM #14
there are a lot of players from the 80s and 90s with 500 goals and 1000 points that won't make the Hall.
Verbeek vs Neely?
You might as well compare Patrick Roy with Any Van Hellemond
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08-12-2015, 11:20 AM #15
players with 500 goals who won't make it
Mullen
Bondra
Turgeon
Roenick
Verbeek
Tkachuk
Andreychuk
Recchi
players from this era who should not be there
Robitaille, Neely, Hawerchuk, ciccarelli
players who will make it but shouldn't
Modano, Sundin
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08-12-2015, 02:20 PM #16
Lmaof...Hawerchuk scored over 500 and 1400 plus pts on some sad sack teams, and was the 2nd best player in the world, at least stats wise to some guy named Gretzky for a good period of time...
Robitaille, another 1400 pts, a whopping 668 GOALS, highest scoring left winger of all time?....BUT he was SLOW so those points didn't help his team?...Russ Courtnall was a blazing fast though, so...
Sundin has Already made it, great player/leader on another sad sack team...Recchi will make it with 500 G, and 3 Cups I would think...
and Neely, a unique and RARE blend: dominant power forward/sniper wrapped in one, similar to Iginla, and a beast when he was in his prime.
just my 2 cts...
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08-12-2015, 02:46 PM #17
No for Modano also....He compares almost the same to Lafleur for both goals and assists, so I dunno, and Andreychuck, a big dude at 6 4" so he doesn't look spectacular like say Bure, and again is burdened with the "slow of foot," tag, but again, has magic hands, a gift for putting the puck in the net, 640 sometimes, plus another 700 plus assists, a decent play maker also! Similar numbers to D.Savard and Hawerchuck but not as "nifty"...but who is at 6-4" aside from Mario?
I wonder who if any modern players will get in with the low numbers they put up? Bergeron, no way right, but than, compared to his peers, for example, Toews, why not? Will be interesting...
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08-12-2015, 02:51 PM #18
Robitaille, Modano and Sundin shouldn't be in the Hall? Is your personal hall of fame like 15 guys?
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08-12-2015, 04:05 PM #19
Luc Robitaille is the highest scoring left winger in the history of the game and has almost 700 goals, Mike Modano is the greatest American forward to play the game, and they both have a cup. What more could you ask for of a player?
I really don't know if the users of this site like to post garbage just to see us all react or if they truly believe it.
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08-12-2015, 04:45 PM #20Assistant General Manager
It sports much like politics and sometimes there is no rhyme or reason to a person logic. If we all went by stats we all love the superstars instead of having a man crush or lady crush on a Bob Probert, Darren McCarty, or other guys far from being superstars.
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Originally Posted by JimMcNulty90 
