New fantasy game for cards!

[Tygm]

Hi all,

I'm starting a new fantasy-format game where you have an opportunity to purchase slots in a draft of 100 autographed and game-used cards from my collection. All 100 cards are autographed or game-used. Since basketball is the only sport in-season, this first round of competition will be fantasy basketball & basketball cards. The game will work as follows:

1) I put out a list of 100 cards that are part of the game. This list is NOT subject to change... these cards are in my possession, and ALL will be distributed to the participants that buy in. The list of 100 cards is below.

2) 10 slots are made available for purchase; each slot will be for 10 cards (10 participants * 10 cards each = the 100 cards in step 1). All participants will pay the same price - $35 per slot including shipping. You may purchase up to 2 slots.
3) A random drawing will occur of all participants that will dictate the order of selecting a player, detailed in step 4 below.
4) The participant who draws #1 will pick one basketball player for the week-long contest. #2 then gets to pick their player, and so on.
5) At the end of the week, the participant whose player earned the most fantasy points (FPS per CBS Sportsline) for the week will get the #1 selection in a "draft" of the 100 cards available. The player with the 2nd most points will get pick 2, and so on.

6) Draft of the 100 cards will continue in a "snake-style" format (the player who came in last / 10th place will get the #11 pick, 9th place gets the #12 pick, and by the time it gets back to the player with the highest points, they will get the final pick of the 2nd round, then the 1st pick of the 3rd round and will continue snaking until all 100 cards are chosen).
7) to speed up the process of a 100 card draft, I will have all players submit and ordered list of their preferred cards... meaning each person gets the highest card on their list when their turn occurs.
8) I ship each participant's drafted cards.

For this first run of the game, please respond to this post if you are interested, and if you would like 1 or 2 slots. Once I deem there's enough interest, I will set a date for the game to begin, and I will contact those who indicated their interest on a first-come, first-served basis to officially sign up & pay. PLEASE don't hesitate to respond to this post if you have any questions - I want to clarify any questions you may have on this game! Here's the list of 100 cards that will part of this first contest.

Player	Brand	Description	Card #	Serial #	Condition Note
Lonnie Walker IV	18/19 Absolute	Level 2 Rookie Auto	RA-LW4	24/25
Steve Francis	99/00 Fleer Mystique	Fresh Ink RC Auto			EX – slightly worn corners and minor edge chipping
Gordon Hayward	12/13 Panini Past & Present	Breakout Auto	26
Mark Jackson	13/14 Panini Totally Certified	Totally Gold Prime Patch	36	5/10
Nikola Vucevic	12/13 Panini Elite	Rookie Inscriptions Auto	38
Jaren Jackson Jr	18/19 Panini Certified	Fabric of the Game JSY RC	FG-JJ	106/149
De'Anthony Melton	18/19 Panini Dominion	Red RC JSY Auto	167	8/49
JR Smith	04/05 Skybox LE	Sky's the Limit Gold RC Prime 4-color patch	SL-JS	16/25
Anthony Davis	18/19 Prizm	Sensational Swatches JSY	54
Scottie Pippen	18/19 Prizm	Sensational Swatches JSY	33
Reggie Theus	13/14 Panini Titanium	Metallic Marks Auto	12	173/299
Troy Brown Jr	18/19 Absolute	Limitless Gold RC Auto	LS-TBR	85/99
Rod Strickland	13/14 National Treasures	Scripts Auto	SC-RS	29/49
Andre Miller	13/14 National Treasures	Game Gear Signatures JSY Auto	GS-AL	42/75
Kevin Garnett	18/19 Absolute	Established Threads JSY	ET-KGN	74/75
David Robinson	2004 UD Sweet Shot	Sweet Swatches JSY	SW-DR
Karl Malone	01/02 Fleer Showcase	Best of the West JSY
Kris Humphries	2004 Upper Deck	Three Point Shot RC Dual JSY Cut Auto	3PS-KH	42/43
Brandan Wright / Julian Wright	07/08 SP Threads	Dual Prime JSY RC	DRT-WW	3/25	EX – worn corners
Courtney Lee	18/19 Panini Dominion	Main Exhibit Auto	ME-CLE	7/49
Rashad Vaughn	15/16 Contenders Draft	Cracked Ice Auto	137	6/23
Chris Paul	12/13 Panini Brilliance	Game Time Jerseys (large swatch)	67
Deyonta Davis	16/17 Panini Preferred	Playbook Rookie Jumbo JSY Booklet	28	14/99
Lonnie Walker IV	18/19 Panini Dominion	Rookie Materials JSY	RM-LW4	65/99
Yao Ming	2005 Topps	Finishing Touch JSY	FT-YM
R Gay / C Maggette	09/10 SP Game Used	Combo Materials Dual JSY	CM-CR	3/35
Matt Barnes	10/11 Panini Season Update	Game Week Prime Patch	29	17/49
Theo Ratliff	15/16 Panini Threads	Century Signtures Auto	CS-TRF	91/199
D Williams / J Johnson / A Blatche	13/14 Panini Intrigue	Terrific Trios Triple JSY	2	88/199
Jamal Murray	16/17 Panini Select	JSY	20
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander	18/19 Prizm	Sensational Swatches JSY	95
Grayson Allen	18/19 Prizm	Sensational Swatches JSY	73
Steve Nash	02/03 Topps Xpectations	Xtra Threads JSY	XT-SN
Carmelo Anthony	04/05 Hopps	Supreme Court JSY	SC/CA
Bruce Brown Jr	18/19 Panini Certified	Certified Potential RC Auto	CP-BB
Dwight Howard	08/09 Upper Deck	UD Game Jersey JSY	GA-DH
Chris Webber	05/06 Upper Deck	UD Game Jersey JSY	GJ-WE
Chris Webber	2003 Upper Deck Sweet Shot	Sweet Swatches JSY	CW-SS
Chris Bosh	04/05 Fleer Showcase	Playmakers JSY	PM-CB
Tracy McGrady	02/03 Fleer Showcase	Basketball's Best JSY	1
Alonzo Mourning	07/08 Ultra	Ultra Stars JSY	US-5
Walter Berry	13/14 Panini Immaculate	Immaculate Standard Jumbo JSY	14	36/75
Thaddeus Young	08/09 Topps Signature	Auto	TSA-TY	5525/5775
Toni Kukoc	15/16 Panini Threads	Century Collection Materials JSY	28	58/75
Nate McMillan	1996 Skybox	Autographics
Hilton Armstrong	2006 Bowman Elevation	Rookie Writings Blue Ice Auto	RWA-HAR	55/79
Chauncey Billups	04/05 Topps	JSY	Je-CBI
Ben Wallace	04/05 Hoops	Supreme Court JSY	SC/BW
Mike Conley	07/08 Bowman Draft	RC JSY	BR-MC
Luol Deng	04/05 Black Diamond	RC JSY	BDJ-LD
Sam Dekker	15/16 Select	Gold Die-Cut Auto RC	20	44/60
Leandro Barbosa	03/04 Finest	RC Auto	168	580/999
Andris Biedrins	04/05 SPX	JSY Auto RC	125	1584/1999
Anfernee Simmons	18/19 Prizm	Sensational Swatches JSY	62
Jarrett Allen	17/18 Select	RC JSY	DS-JAR
Montrezl Harrell	15/16 Hoops	Hot Signatures RC Auto	HS-MHA
Brad Miller	2006 Bowman Elevation	Dual JSY	BDDR-BM	40/79
Anthony Brown	15/16 Panini Threads	JSY Auto RC	RTS-AB	17/199
Trey Lyles	18/19 Prizm	Auto	S-TLY
Gilbert Arenas	06/07 Bowman Sterling	JSY	23
Trevor Booker	13/14 Panini Preferred	Crown Royale Red Auto	167	79/99
John Salmons	2003 SP Authentic	Rookie FX Auto	166	986/1500
Justin Jackson	18/19 Panini Certified	Rookie Roll Call Auto	RRC-JUJ
Alan Houston	03/04 Upper Deck	UD Game Jersey JSY	AH-J
Ron Artest	06/07 SP Game Used	Authentic Fabrics JSY	182
Baron Davis	06/07 Ultra	Kings of the Court JSY	KK-BD
Jermaine O'Neal	04/05 Upper Deck Hardcourt	Player's Material JSY	HM-JO
Troy Daniels	16/17 Donruss Optic	Signature Series	39
Peja Stojakovic	03/04 Topps Pristine	Pristine Gems JSY	GEM-PS
Jason Maxiell	2005 Sage Hit	Reflect Bronze Auto	RA46	15/100

Elton Brand	02/03 Topps Ten	FG Percentage JSY	62	479/750
Rashard Lewis	04/05 Topps	JSY	Je-RL
Carlos Boozer	2005 Bazooka	Bazooka Power JSY	BP-CB
Norris Cole	12/13 Panini Crusade	Quest Auto	66
Brandon Bass	2005 Sage Hit	Auto	A30
Adam Keefe	1998 Skybox	Autographics
Jeff Withey	13/14 Panini Elite	Auto JSY RC	RE-JW	66/599
Zydrunas Ilgauskas	06/07 Upper Deck Hardcourt	Hardcourt Materials JSY	HM-ZI
Kevin Murphy	12/13 Absolute	RC Auto	217	392/399
Josh Selby	12/13 Momentum	Momentous Rookies Auto	85
Bernard James	12/13 Prestige	Prestigious Picks Auto	75
David Harrison	2005 SP Authentic	Rookie Authentics Auto	159	1218/1499
Donta Smith	2004 UD Diamond Collection	ProSigs Auto	PS-DS

Maciej Lampe	03/04 SP Signature	Authentic Signatures	AS-ML
Caron Butler	02/03 Fleer Box Score	Freshman Orientation JSY
Josh Howard	2005 Upper Deck ESPN	SportsCenter Swatches JSY	SCS-JH
Kenyon Martin	01/02 Fleer Premium	Premium Performers JSY
Chris Kaman	04/05 Topps	JSY	Je-CK
Josh Childress	2005 Upper Deck ESPN	SportsCenter Swatches JSY	SCS-JC
Antonio Anderson	09/10 Upper Deck Draft	Auto	7
Bobby Brown	09/10 Upper Deck	Signature Collection	20
Juan Dixon	2005 SP Game Used	Authentic Fabrics JSY	AF-JD
Sarunas Jasikevicius	05/06 Bazooka	Bazooka All Access JSY	BAA-SJ
Johan Petro	2005 Sage Hit	Broze Auto	A15	109/250
Quentin Richardson	2002 Press Pass	Dual JSY		90/100

Angelo Gigli	2005 Sage Hit	Reflect Bronze Auto	RA12	75/100
Quincy Lewis	1999 Press Pass	Standout Signatures		62/100
Jamal Magloire	2002 Press Pass	JSY		30/300
Roberto Bergersen	1999 Press Pass	Auto
Jamal Robinson	Genuine Article	Hardwood Series Auto	18	2451/7500

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[Tygm]

Hi all, I'd be happy to answer any questions if there's any confusion on the game. In a nutshell, you get 10 cards from that list (ALL auto or game-used) regardless of where you place in the game for $35 including shipping. I think there's good value here, several nice cards. I'd also be happy to accept any feedback or concerns, would like to know why folks aren't signing up. I thought this would be a fun game, with good value in cards (better than breaking a box for sure). If I can get enough people to sign up, will run the game for baseball and football as well when they're in season. Thanks for looking, and please let me know if there's anything I can do to alleviate concerns! -Ty

[scottkoz20]

this is approved by me

[jeremy17]

I wanted to give feedback/my thoughts on this...

I am definitely interested in this idea and it would be so much fun! But with all due respect I think a better lot of 100 cards could be had for $350 American (shipping included so maybe $300 is more accurate). I understand the prize lots have to be differentiated for places 1 through 10, as it is a contest, but outside the top 2-3 winners, I couldn't justify spending that much for a lot of 10 of the remaining 70 to choose from that list.

[Tygm]

Jeremy,

Thank you for the feedback, I truly do appreciate it. I do want to be clear that the winner of the fantasy game does NOT receive the top 10 cards on the list. The winner gets the first overall pick (would assume the Lonnie Walker, then #2 gets to choose one card, and so on. By the time it gets to the last place finisher (#10 pick), they would also get the #11 pick (first pick of the 2nd round) due to the snake-draft format. Realistically, the last place finisher would get TWO (#10 pick and #11 pick) of the mega-star game-used or semistar (Reggie Theus, Strickland, Miller) autos.

With regards to your comment that a better lot could be had for $300 USD, I tried to get this lot as close to that figure in value as possible. But I hear you. If this is the concern of others, I would like to hear it! I personally believe that it's VERY close. I'm not looking to "compensate" myself for my time of putting these lots together, running the game and sorting out each player's winnings, and shipping everything, but I also can't afford to take a huge hit on the value, especially with shipping costs. I really want this to be a fun game that we can run weekly while basketball/baseball/football are in season (sorry hockey fans, I just don't collect hockey). I want the value to be as fair as possible. I also feel it's not 100% fair to compare spending $350 on a huge lot (volume-discounted, not all folks can spend that much on one time on cards) to smaller $35 chunks. I absolutely believe that at minimum, the $35 cost on a share of this lot will yield you more value in cards on average than breaking a box, buying card shop singles, or even buying singles online and having them shipped.

There's one other element I didn't discuss in my post, and that's the value of the draft format. You could very easily win the #9 pick, but get the 6th or 7th card on your list if other players choose different cards. This can, and likely will, occur in every round. I believe there's value in YOU getting to choose your own card preferences via your draft list.

All that being said, thank you again for your feedback, it's truly appreciated, and I would welcome it from anyone else as well. Is there something specific I could do in your opinion to improve desirability? In other words, where is the list weak? I'd be perfectly willing to swap out some of the bottom cards on the list for more value in the mid-rounds for example, if that would help.

Finally, a big thank you to scottkoz20 for your support!!

-Ty

[jeremy17]

My apologies, somehow I missed the snake draft format and I really like that aspect of it. It makes this even better imo. To get a 100 card lot together in order to do this wouldn't be the easiest thing and would take quite some time, I do understand that. I think some of the cards taken at the end of the draft would be pretty difficult to move, but I do agree with you that for your money it definitely could have more value in buying a box..

Just another note on the cards included in this lot, I noticed pretty much every card is a game used or auto.. I'd be open to some lower end rookies of well known, or up and coming players' cards that are still at low prices but could increase in value as they're careers untold, rather than retired players who were fringe stars/decent players.

Again just giving you my thoughts. I will keep an eye on this to see how it develops and I am definitely interested.

Jer

[Tygm]

Thanks Jer. I thought about adding rookies and nicer inserts, and I likely will in future versions of the game, but to keep it clean and easy I wanted to stick with "hits only" for this first version. Thank you very much for your interest, and again thank you for the feedback. I'll absolutely let you know how this develops, and will get this going if I can get some more interest. I'd also be willing to cut the list down to 50 and do 5 slots if I can get 3-5 people at one or two slots apiece.

One more point to all, I take card security seriously - every card will be toploaded and the lot team-bagged when shipped.

Thanks again,
Ty

[jmintz]

My feedback, since you asked....there's about three cards on the list that I'd definitely shell out cash for at a show if the prices was right, and a handful I'd possibly be interested in under the right circumstances. Then, there's a ton that I would never have any interest in. Putting up the fee on the front end doesn't guarantee I get something I want, but DOES guarantee I get a bunch of stuff I don't want.

The $35 is a reasonable fee for the quantity of cards the buyer ends up with, and there are enough good names on the list, but the overwhelming majority of those cards just don't do anything for me personally.

We periodically used to have card drafts on here, where someone ran it, everyone sent in a bunch of cards, and then we drafted and got what we chose at the end. Same situation with ending up with stuff I don't care about, but at least I was moving some of my own stuff I don't care about in the process (with no out-of-pocket cost except postage).

My .02

[Tygm]

jmintz, that's a completely fair perspective, and I thank you for the feedback. This card list may not appeal to people who are high-end-only collectors. I also considered different versions of this game with high-end only, or a cheaper-priced lower-end version. Ultimately, I had to land on one list; which in this case is moderate price, moderate quality, "hits only". If I can get going, I can absolutely mix up the game each week, with different lists that appeal to different collectors. I'm ultimately going for a fun game of fair value that different people can play each week based on which card lists appeal to them... while knowing that it's impossible to please everyone each week (some folks may be turned off by game where they get only one high-end card, for example).

[Nostalgykone]

Very creative and thought-out approach to moving cards that you don't want. It has a lot of potential, but again the value just isn't there at $35/spot. If there were more autos of the 'name' players it might be different. You can do a lot with $35 on eBay these days, that's how I look at it anyway.