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[sanfran22]

That was my point. I don't advocate that tho. I was trying to point out that we can not pick and choose which aspects of business that we want the government to regulate. We can't say that the government has no right to tell a business that they can not allow smoking and then expect the government to regulate other aspects of business like health and safety. It would be a double-standard.

How is making sure someone doesn't get ecoli the same as allowing smoking? Selling tainted food is wrong in all instances, is that the same for smoking?

[theonedru]

How is making sure someone doesn't get ecoli the same as allowing smoking? Selling tainted food is wrong in all instances, is that the same for smoking?

So in what instance is smoking right?

I love it here in Seattle where they ban smoking as much as they can but they want to decriminalize marijuana which is just as unhealthy and dangerous as smoking cigarettes. That's true hypocrisy for you

[duane1969]

How is making sure someone doesn't get ecoli the same as allowing smoking? Selling tainted food is wrong in all instances, is that the same for smoking?

I didn't say any of it is the same. I said that people can not pick and choose what regulations they want enforced. Many people have asthma. Being around smoking, even just a little bit, can be deadly. It is a public health issue, like it or not.

Let me see if I understand your position correctly. I have the right to eat clean food and the government should protect that right. However, I do not have the right to breathe clean air while I eat and the government should mind it's own business. Is that about right?

[Star_Cards]

So in what instance is smoking right?

I love it here in Seattle where they ban smoking as much as they can but they want to decriminalize marijuana which is just as unhealthy and dangerous as smoking cigarettes. That's true hypocrisy for you

that's a pretty good point. If they legalized marijuana they'd have to restrict it more than they do smoking in my opinion. People would be allowed to have a certain amount but wouldn't be able to just smoke it where ever even if they were outside. Second hand smoke from marijuana needs to be controlled much more than tobacco second hand smoke.

[duane1969]

that's a pretty good point. If they legalized marijuana they'd have to restrict it more than they do smoking in my opinion. People would be allowed to have a certain amount but wouldn't be able to just smoke it where ever even if they were outside. Second hand smoke from marijuana needs to be controlled much more than tobacco second hand smoke.

If there is a second-hand smoke that I am OK with breathing, that would be it

[sanfran22]

I didn't say any of it is the same. I said that people can not pick and choose what regulations they want enforced. Many people have asthma. Being around smoking, even just a little bit, can be deadly. It is a public health issue, like it or not.

Let me see if I understand your position correctly. I have the right to eat clean food and the government should protect that right. However, I do not have the right to breathe clean air while I eat and the government should mind it's own business. Is that about right?

The business has the right to determine if they want the legal act of smoking in their establishment. You do not have to patronize them. They do not have the right to serve tainted food. I don't know how you can draw the same comparison. You are talking about poisoning the masses via food vs second hand smoke which has not been proven to poison anyone. So in this instance you can pick and choose. They have no right to limit smoking to private businesses. Maybe they should stop allowing alcohol because someone may drive drunk.

[razzamaztaz]

New topic: explain to me why men (on boats) always walk around without life jacket while the wife and kids got them on. I just took a walk by the water and saw three families, same scenario. Stupidity, or has the wife talked him into it and got a good life insurance?

[duane1969]

The business has the right to determine if they want the legal act of smoking in their establishment. You do not have to patronize them. They do not have the right to serve tainted food. I don't know how you can draw the same comparison. You are talking about poisoning the masses via food vs second hand smoke which has not been proven to poison anyone. So in this instance you can pick and choose. They have no right to limit smoking to private businesses. Maybe they should stop allowing alcohol because someone may drive drunk.

No, what I am talking about is whether or not the govt. has the right to control one aspect and not another.

As far as I am concerned, my right to breathe clean air and be healthy supercedes any smoker's right to pollute the air and environment and kill themselves. Obviously if smoking is bad for them then it is bad for me too but their right to their choice is taking away my right to choose, so they lose their right to choose.

[duane1969]

New topic: explain to me why men (on boats) always walk around without life jacket while the wife and kids got them on. I just took a walk by the water and saw three families, same scenario. Stupidity, or has the wife talked him into it and got a good life insurance?

Because the wife and kids are aware that dad is driving the boat and they know there is a chance that they will need the lifejackets. It's called learning from experience.

The dad however thinks that he will never wreck and therefore will never need the lifejacket. It's called machismo.

[sanfran22]

No, what I am talking about is whether or not the govt. has the right to control one aspect and not another.

As far as I am concerned, my right to breathe clean air and be healthy supercedes any smoker's right to pollute the air and environment and kill themselves. Obviously if smoking is bad for them then it is bad for me too but their right to their choice is taking away my right to choose, so they lose their right to choose.

We will never agree. You chose to eat at that restaurant. That is your only valid choice. The business should have the choice of weather to allow smoking or not.