Apparently You Are Not Racist If You Are Not White

[greg271126817]

I think you are taking the quote of "it's a nonstory" a bit too literally. When someone uses that term it doesn't mean it's not an actual story. It's a term used more to talk about the coverage of the story and that coverage hasn't hit the national media groups.

but is there really a reason to make a big deal out of it?

[Star_Cards]

I think what he's saying is that no matter what your majority or minority in this country, an action like this should be viewed the same across the board. If it's not then there is his double standard argument.

Myself I can see both sides of this debate and am unsure which side I'd go with if I had to pick. I guess a lot of the debate is "what if" so I'd rather look at the actual facts of this instance. Although if a white group were to do something similar to this it would be huge news. I can agree with that argument of his, but not really sure where that gets us.

[duane1969]

They are simply saying the money that they earn on their reservations and the other benefits that they set aside for their enrolled members should not be given to anybody else.

Native Americans are not excluding people from anything except their life savings. its not like they are saying anything bad about anybody. They are just simply stating they are not going to give their life savings to people who are not members of their family.

You clearly did not read the entire article. This is not about Cherokee nation funds that they earned themselves nor is it about savings that they earned.

After Cherokee Supreme Court upheld the 2007 vote on Aug. 22, the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development temporarily froze $33 million in funds while it studies the issue. Federal lawmakers who believe the amendment violated the freedmen's civil rights had lobbied federal agencies to cut funding to the tribe.

Along with losing services, Nash and other descendants of freedmen won't be able to vote in the hotly contested Sept. 24 election for principal chief

The Cherokee are excluding them from Federal funds for housing, health care and food as well as the right to vote in the Cherokee chief election. I am fine with the election thing but they have no right to exclude people from Federally funded housing because they are not a particular race.

There is no statement as to the financial source of the health care and food stipends but it is logical that if they are getting HUD for their housing then they are getting federal assistance for health care and food too.

And if you honestly believe that the Cherokee nation is a self-supporting entity that needs and recieves no outside support then you are terribly mistaken.

[Star_Cards]

native americans have their own government and laws. They also have special benefits for enrolled members of their tribe, a few examples are they have money set aside and distribute it sometimes to the members of the tribe. they also get free health care and has been that way for years. Also special hunting, trapping and ricing license rates that are affordable for the people on their land. I pay $10 for hunting, fishing, ricing, trapping license but the state makes you pay almost $30 for each thing described. they also have discounted vehicle registration for members who live on the reservation. But you have to think if they give these benefits to non member they will soon run out, and the community would be broke. My guess would be that they gave the former slaves the benefits to try to make up for the wrong they did by enslaving those people. That still doesn't make it right, but if they continue to give away benefits like this the community will break down even more than what it is and they would have nothing

I guess for me, if these slave descendants are not longer living on reservation and contributing to the reservation then I can see where they would want to cut those costs. Seems like they could slowly phase them out with Grandfather clauses or something rather than just axing people who have had these benefits for years and are no longer able to provide for themselves or retired.

[duane1969]

I think what he's saying is that no matter what your majority or minority in this country, an action like this should be viewed the same across the board. If it's not then there is his double standard argument.

Myself I can see both sides of this debate and am unsure which side I'd go with if I had to pick. I guess a lot of the debate is "what if" so I'd rather look at the actual facts of this instance. Although if a white group were to do something similar to this it would be huge news. I can agree with that argument of his, but not really sure where that gets us.

Yes, you get my point.

It gets us nowhere because there are obviously a lot of people who think that racism only exists inside of white people. If non-whites wrong other non-whites then it is just "embracing their heritage".

[duane1969]

I guess for me, if these slave descendants are not longer living on reservation and contributing to the reservation then I can see where they would want to cut those costs. Seems like they could slowly phase them out with Grandfather clauses or something rather than just axing people who have had these benefits for years and are no longer able to provide for themselves or retired.

If they don't live on the reservation then they have no rights to anything tribal related...but neither do blood-Cherokee living off of the reservation either. Otherwise the double-standard remains.

[greg271126817]

You clearly did not read the entire article. This is not about Cherokee nation funds that they earned themselves nor is it about savings that they earned.





The Cherokee are excluding them from Federal funds for housing, health care and food as well as the right to vote in the Cherokee chief election. I am fine with the election thing but they have no right to exclude people from Federally funded housing because they are not a particular race.

There is no statement as to the financial source of the health care and food stipends but it is logical that if they are getting HUD for their housing then they are getting federal assistance for health care and food too.

And if you honestly believe that the Cherokee nation is a self-supporting entity that needs and recieves no outside support then you are terribly mistaken.

so you are telling me that even if the federal govt give money and helps these people then they need to share it with everyone else? That makes absolutely no sense. Native americans make their money living off the land and building casinos to everything they need. Im not sure the federal government gives them much if anything

[ensbergcollector]

People trip me out when they talk about no white miss america, no white college fund or white entertainment televison. First of all there is a white entertainment television. It's called mtv. No knock on mtv but the majority of their programming the average black person would not be interested in. Again nothing wrong with what they do but it is what it is. BET is programming tageted to Blacks just like the spanish stations are targeted to latinos. Anyone can watch any of these channels but keep in mind who the programs are designed for. As far as the college fund. Anyone with a half of brain knows that for years it was very difficult for blacks to get financing to college let alone go to whatever college they went to so the united negro college fund was created. Again it was not meant to discriminate against anyone but since there was an inadqueate amount of funding for college for blacks compared to whites something had to be done. Finally do I really need to explain why there is a miss black america or have you figured it out by now?

so, like every other injustice I have ever mentioned, this is ok and there is a reason. There isn't a white college fund because it would never be allowed. It would be deemed racist. And I'm sorry, the idea of it being harder for minorities to get into college went away decades ago. Admission is easier (lower test scores are allowed for minorities, points are added on top of admissions testing if you are a minority, etc) for minorities and money is much easier to get. I graduated high school almost 15 years ago. Of the stack of scholarships readily available to my high school, only 33% could I apply for as a white male. The other 2/3 were for females and various minorities.
I have no issue with BET. There is a difference in entertainment and the allocation of money. My issue with things like miss black america is exactly what this thread is about. There isn't a miss white america because it would never be allowed. there would be outcry from everyone and you know it. If we want to be a country who does away with racism, we need to stop promoting one group over another and defining them only be race. How does miss black america help anything?

[duane1969]

so you are telling me that even if the federal govt give money and helps these people then they need to share it with everyone else? That makes absolutely no sense. Native americans make their money living off the land and building casinos to everything they need. Im not sure the federal government gives them much if anything

Dude! It says in the article that $33 million in HUD funding was frozen? Since when is $33 million nothing? Did you even read the article?

Just to further add to this. The Federal government gives them all of this:

* Health care, prescriptions, eyeglasses and hospitalization are all covered under Federal Indian Health Services, funded by the Federal government.
* The tribal housing authority helps members buy and remodel homes. They are funded by HUD, a Federal government program.
* By simply being part Cherokee (I think 1/8th is the minimum) you are qualified for a $1000 per semester scholarship from the government.

Also, the Cherokee do not make their money off of casinos. While the Cherokee nation government makes around $350 million a year from casinos that money is not divided up or distributed to the Cherokee people.

[habsheaven]

You clearly did not read the entire article. This is not about Cherokee nation funds that they earned themselves nor is it about savings that they earned.





The Cherokee are excluding them from Federal funds for housing, health care and food as well as the right to vote in the Cherokee chief election. I am fine with the election thing but they have no right to exclude people from Federally funded housing because they are not a particular race.

There is no statement as to the financial source of the health care and food stipends but it is logical that if they are getting HUD for their housing then they are getting federal assistance for health care and food too.

And if you honestly believe that the Cherokee nation is a self-supporting entity that needs and recieves no outside support then you are terribly mistaken.

So I guess by this statement you are okay with anyone, white, asian, european, etc applying to recieve this funding? Interesting concept. Find a funding source and apply regardless of whether or not the funding is meant for you. If they turn you down, just call it racism. That makes perfect sense.