Obama's First Election

[AUTaxMan]

I know what happened, do you?

You cannot talk in generalities and then demand specifics. You started the discussion on Ohio. Bring some facts to the table.

[Hilfiger1975]

UGH. IHow about read this article and discuss that? From what I see there are actual items you can bring up to say that maybe those signatures shouldn't have counted, but no, the thread goes to bush did it.

Isn't that how we argue about politics? One side says something then another side of "organized/labeled" people counters with what the other side did?

[sanfran22]

I know what happened, do you? Then once they proved that actually the boxes was indeed "tampered" with. Ohio turned around and bought more boxes from the same ballot box supplier...check it out it's awesome read and video...

Yes, I know that story, as well as the not having enough boxes, no transportation and suppressing the inner city vote ect. Who did they prove tampered with the boxes???

[ensbergcollector]

again we return to the "i won't address the issue at hand so i will just claim the other guy did it too, thus making it ok"

[mrveggieman]

again we return to the "i won't address the issue at hand so i will just claim the other guy did it too, thus making it ok"

No it's not ok when either side does it. The point I'm making is everyone likes to call out obama but no one says a thing about the republicans when they do the same things that obama is/was accused of.

[pghin08]

Not it's not ok when either side does it. The point I'm making is everyone likes to call out obama but no one says a thing about the republicans when they do the same things that obama is/was accused of.

That's not true. If you were alive during the 2000 and 2004 elections, Dems cried foul about both of them, and in a big way.

My point is this:

THIS IS NOT NEW. NOR IS IT EXCLUSIVE TO ONE PARTY.

Everyone should stop treating it like it is.

[ensbergcollector]

Not it's not ok when either side does it. The point I'm making is everyone likes to call out obama but no one says a thing about the republicans when they do the same things that obama is/was accused of.

ok, a few things. Seeing as how you weren't even here until after obama was president, how do you know no one says a thing? This board was full the entire time bush was president of thread knocking him and things he had done. And for the most part, those of us here, responded to the accusation. Some we defended, some we agreed he was wrong on, but never was our response "democrats do it too." So I'm sorry, but your statement holds no water.

And I'm sorry. when obama is accused of something, no one addresses the point. No one says, yeah, that's messed up. They say "bush did it too" and "no one said anything when bush did it."

So please, be willing to deal with the accusation. People's inability to address the issue at hand only shows the bias.

[ensbergcollector]

That's not true. If you were alive during the 2000 and 2004 elections, Dems cried foul about both of them, and in a big way.

My point is this:

THIS IS NOT NEW. NOR IS IT EXCLUSIVE TO ONE PARTY.

Everyone should stop treating it like it is.

come on man, that's like saying let's not talk about the murder that took place last night because murders have happened before. I don't care if every republican who ever won an election cheated, that does not mean we shouldn't be allowed to talk about whether or not a particular democrat cheated.

[pghin08]

come on man, that's like saying let's not talk about the murder that took place last night because murders have happened before. I don't care if every republican who ever won an election cheated, that does not mean we shouldn't be allowed to talk about whether or not a particular democrat cheated.

That's not my point. I'm not saying we shouldn't talk about it. I'm saying that it's ridiculous to treat it like it's something brand new, and that it's exclusive to one party. When Mike originally posted it, he posted it as being a "insight into how Obama runs the country". By that logic, it's an insight into how Bush ran the country, and everybody else who's ever been accused of election fraud (which is most Presidents).

I'm DEFINITELY not saying to disregard it, I'm just pointing out how insane it is to use it for any partisan tug-of-war, because both sides do it equally.

[ensbergcollector]

That's not my point. I'm not saying we shouldn't talk about it. I'm saying that it's ridiculous to treat it like it's something brand new, and that it's exclusive to one party. When Mike originally posted it, he posted it as being a "insight into how Obama runs the country". By that logic, it's an insight into how Bush ran the country, and everybody else who's ever been accused of election fraud (which is most Presidents).

I'm DEFINITELY not saying to disregard it, I'm just pointing out how insane it is to use it for any partisan tug-of-war, because both sides do it equally.

but for 8 years it was treated like an insight into how bush ran the country. No one on the left was saying "it's ridiculous to treat it like it's something brand new, and that it's exclusive to one party" but now that it is obama in office we want to take that attitude with it.