Obama's First Election

[pghin08]

but for 8 years it was treated like an insight into how bush ran the country. No one on the left was saying "it's ridiculous to treat it like it's something brand new, and that it's exclusive to one party" but now that it is obama in office we want to take that attitude with it.

I can only speak for myself here, but I was saying exactly that during the whole Bush election fraud scandals. Which is: "Why are people surprised?" And yes, while no one on the left was saying that it was new, people on the right were. That's why it's ridiculous to me that people are trying to make this stuff a partisan issue. It's like a murderer standing in judgement of another murderer, you both killed, you're both awful for doing it, period.

[mikesilvia]

Trying to stay on topic ...

The point is you had an incumbent that was in office for 5 years. I'm 100% certain Obama's signatures were not 100% valid, but the other three candidates simply didn't have the money to hire lawyers and staffers to check signatures.

In my view this is an attack on low-income candidates and against choice. Should a signature be thrown out because someone who has a low education may have signed a candidate sheet vice printing? Or someone that doesn't speak English signs vice printing? Or they changed their address or got married so their last name changed?

Notice that the people running against Obama were heroes in their neighborhoods as community volunteers and activists?

If a Republican did this technique to minority Democrats it would be marked down as racists and an attack on minorities and limiting choice. Since Obama did it, the horse blinders go on and Bush's name gets throw around.

Seriously, if a Democrats is caught speeding can Democrats admit that he/she was speeding? Vice saying Republicans speed so it's ok?

[Star_Cards]

Isn't that how we argue about politics? One side says something then another side of "organized/labeled" people counters with what the other side did?

sadly that is how it typically goes.

[Star_Cards]

ok, a few things. Seeing as how you weren't even here until after obama was president, how do you know no one says a thing? This board was full the entire time bush was president of thread knocking him and things he had done. And for the most part, those of us here, responded to the accusation. Some we defended, some we agreed he was wrong on, but never was our response "democrats do it too." So I'm sorry, but your statement holds no water.

And I'm sorry. when obama is accused of something, no one addresses the point. No one says, yeah, that's messed up. They say "bush did it too" and "no one said anything when bush did it."

So please, be willing to deal with the accusation. People's inability to address the issue at hand only shows the bias.

this isn't completely true. Some hold even the guys they vote for to the fire if they do something wrong. True a lot do, on both sides, but some don't blindly favor the guys they vote for... At least I don't.

[Star_Cards]

Trying to stay on topic ...

The point is you had an incumbent that was in office for 5 years. I'm 100% certain Obama's signatures were not 100% valid, but the other three candidates simply didn't have the money to hire lawyers and staffers to check signatures.

In my view this is an attack on low-income candidates and against choice. Should a signature be thrown out because someone who has a low education may have signed a candidate sheet vice printing? Or someone that doesn't speak English signs vice printing? Or they changed their address or got married so their last name changed?

Notice that the people running against Obama were heroes in their neighborhoods as community volunteers and activists?

If a Republican did this technique to minority Democrats it would be marked down as racists and an attack on minorities and limiting choice. Since Obama did it, the horse blinders go on and Bush's name gets throw around.

Seriously, if a Democrats is caught speeding can Democrats admit that he/she was speeding? Vice saying Republicans speed so it's ok?

Don't act like this doesn't go both ways. It's not just a Dem happening. It may annoy you more when it's a Rep as you are more sided with them but it's a two way street. No matter how it happens I hate the hypocrisy when people yell from the roof tops when it's an opposing politician and sweeps it under the rug when it's their own. It happens more times than not too and it shows that situation plays into lot of people's opinions.

If it is the case that in this specific article that Obama did the same thing and was the only one that had the finances to fight the others isn't that a big reason for campaign finance reform.

If you have two candidates and one has more money, should the candidate with more money not do things within the rules just because his opponent doesn't have the funds? Maybe each candidate should have the right to check these petitions to get on the ballot no matter their funding.

[Hilfiger1975]

Yes, I know that story, as well as the not having enough boxes, no transportation and suppressing the inner city vote ect. Who did they prove tampered with the boxes???

You might want to read and watch a video on how the hard drives could be altered also...

[sanfran22]

You might want to read and watch a video on how the hard drives could be altered also...

But I'm asking you, who do you claim specifically did this? Is this like all the dead people voting for Obama in Cuyahoga county??LOL.

[mikesilvia]

Don't act like this doesn't go both ways. It's not just a Dem happening. It may annoy you more when it's a Rep as you are more sided with them but it's a two way street. No matter how it happens I hate the hypocrisy when people yell from the roof tops when it's an opposing politician and sweeps it under the rug when it's their own. It happens more times than not too and it shows that situation plays into lot of people's opinions.

Ok, show me where a Republican has done it. I'm open to see it.

[Star_Cards]

Ok, show me where a Republican has done it. I'm open to see it.

Do you want evidence of a Rep questioning signatures of an opponent to get on the ballot or voter fraud in general?

[sanfran22]

Do you want evidence of a Rep questioning signatures of an opponent to get on the ballot or voter fraud in general?

Sounds like he want's a proven case of repubs cheating...at least thats how I read it.