Obama's First Election

[mrveggieman]

He stole the election? With what a pistol?

Last I looked THOUSANDS of election officials certified the results and even the most left-wing papers like the NY Times and LA Times investigated the elections and certified Bush as President. Google it sometime. I know .. I know ... silly facts.

Just because you say something a million times, doesn't make it fact. The problem is people think the popular election is more important than the electoral vote. Then the silly constitution gets in the way. Our election process is not American Idol, it's a federalist system with 50 states voting. There was no election stolen, just people used to voting for American Idol complaining because they don't understand how the election system in the U.S works.

I'm not exactly who you are referring to with the american idol remark because I don't watch it and I am aware that we elect our presidents by an electorial college system and not a popular vote. That is exactly why states like Florida in 2000 who's governor back then was Jeb Bush (GWB's baby brother) can do a lot of underhanded things to ensure that bush won that state getting the neccessary votes he needed to "win" the election. I am an educated man mike so please come at me with a better argument.

[sanfran22]

I'm not exactly who you are referring to with the american idol remark because I don't watch it and I am aware that we elect our presidents by an electorial college system and not a popular vote. That is exactly why states like Florida in 2000 who's governor back then was Jeb Bush (GWB's baby brother) can do a lot of underhanded things to ensure that bush won that state getting the neccessary votes he needed to "win" the election. I am an educated man mike so please come at me with a better argument.

Lol is all I gotta say about this......... can I ask where you were educated out of curiosity? You don't have to answer if you don't want....

[mikesilvia]

I'm not exactly who you are referring to with the american idol remark because I don't watch it and I am aware that we elect our presidents by an electorial college system and not a popular vote. That is exactly why states like Florida in 2000 who's governor back then was Jeb Bush (GWB's baby brother) can do a lot of underhanded things to ensure that bush won that state getting the neccessary votes he needed to "win" the election. I am an educated man mike so please come at me with a better argument.

You are making this conclusion: Brother is governor so it is proof that the election was cheated. This assumption would put so many people away in jail based on assumption like that. Someone stole a car from the Ford Parking lot. Mike was there that day and his brother works there so Mike stole the car.

Gore took his case to several courts and all certified the election to Bush. Are you saying that Gore didn't bring as much proof as possible? The NYT and LA times, both backed Gore and certified the election to Bush.

It's silly to use analogies that "Bush stole the election because his brother was Governor." Without proof and facts you are simply smearing the name of a lot of people.

[mikesilvia]

As far as the American Idol remark that wasn't pointed at you. In America more young people vote for American Idol than for President. So, they only voting system they know is a popular vote where you get to vote over and over and the winner takes all. They have no clue what the electoral college is and too many have never read the constitution.

[mrveggieman]

As far as the American Idol remark that wasn't pointed at you. In America more young people vote for American Idol than for President. So, they only voting system they know is a popular vote where you get to vote over and over and the winner takes all. They have no clue what the electoral college is and too many have never read the constitution.

Sad but true. SMH

[mikesilvia]

So, I'll try to get back on point.

I'll repeat my main point. In my view Obama's election for that state senate seat in Illinois was REAL class warfare. He was an educated, well-to-do man with DEEP pockets backing him that could afford lawyers to throw out vote after vote. His opponents (to include an incumbent that already was relected once) didn't have the same amount of resources. I can't prove it but I have a feeling that many of Obama's signatures would have been thrown out if scrutinized. Then Obama runs on the "every vote must count" platform when running for Senate and eventually President. Every vote must count FOR HIM, but not his opponents.

As the video stated, what he did was NOT illegal, just very questionable for someone that believes in the "spirit" of Democracy. Notice what the Obama aids said? He said that it was their job to avoid spending money on an election if you could just remove your competition on technicalities. Basically, his election was the same as Saddam Hussein's. Who do you want to vote for?

1. Barrack Obama
2. Barrack Obama

[mrveggieman]

So, I'll try to get back on point.

I'll repeat my main point. In my view Obama's election for that state senate seat in Illinois was REAL class warfare. He was an educated, well-to-do man with DEEP pockets backing him that could afford lawyers to throw out vote after vote. His opponents (to include an incumbent that already was relected once) didn't have the same amount of resources. I can't prove it but I have a feeling that many of Obama's signatures would have been thrown out if scrutinized. Then Obama runs on the "every vote must count" platform when running for Senate and eventually President. Every vote must count FOR HIM, but not his opponents.

As the video stated, what he did was NOT illegal, just very questionable for someone that believes in the "spirit" of Democracy. Notice what the Obama aids said? He said that it was their job to avoid spending money on an election if you could just remove your competition on technicalities. Basically, his election was the same as Saddam Hussein's. Who do you want to vote for?

1. Barrack Obama
2. Barrack Obama

Othe politicians from both parties have also been accused of questionable election tatics. My first question to you is why are you only calling out obama? My second question is what do you propose be done about election fraud by canidates?

[mikesilvia]

Othe politicians from both parties have also been accused of questionable election tatics. My first question to you is why are you only calling out obama? My second question is what do you propose be done about election fraud by canidates?

I posted up this video because I've mentioned it over the years and NO has ever seen it. The other day I mentioned it to someone while talking politics and they hadn't heard of it either so I thought I post it again in this forum.

I'd call out ANYONE that performed illegal or questionable campaign tactics. I know dirty politics get played on both side. No one party has a monopoly on illegal or questionable tactics.

I think for the most part our local, state and federal government does enough to fight election fraud. Obviously, there are still dead people and illegals voting and other forms of fraud. Unfortunately, we can only reduce it, not eliminate it.

[pghin08]

You are making this conclusion: Brother is governor so it is proof that the election was cheated. This assumption would put so many people away in jail based on assumption like that. Someone stole a car from the Ford Parking lot. Mike was there that day and his brother works there so Mike stole the car.

Gore took his case to several courts and all certified the election to Bush. Are you saying that Gore didn't bring as much proof as possible? The NYT and LA times, both backed Gore and certified the election to Bush.

It's silly to use analogies that "Bush stole the election because his brother was Governor." Without proof and facts you are simply smearing the name of a lot of people.

It IS kind of crappy that when the Supreme Court ruled on Gore v. Bush, they said their ruling was "limited to the present circumstance", so basically saying that their ruling on this case didn't ever apply again.