Government Intervention

[Hilfiger1975]

Everyone can see the same thing i'm seeing right now. Do what you have to do, slugger.

Thank you, i appreciate that...

[habsheaven]

My company does pay for the drug tests... I would assume they have ran a costs analysist and have concluded this up front fee would cost them in the long run. As far as the innocent kids.... Do you think they are better off in a home where drugs could be abused? What happens to the kids now whos parents get caught with drugs or other issues? Im not even really for a one strike your out policy though. I would support more of a cutback. Obviously if you have enough money to buy weed to smoke you have more than you need. I would also say there would be a process to getting reinstated that would include things such as drug rehab or job training or some other methods like they use in courts now.

It's not a matter of where they are better off. Of course they are better off in a clean, healthy environment. My point is this: drug-using parents collecting welfare is probably a lot LESS expensive on the system than kicking the adults off of welfare and having to find placements for the children who now have NO ONE able to look after them.

[habsheaven]

You continue to make no sense in your reponses to me...

Dont wear a seatbelt, I don't care, you wear a seatbelt for safety, if you want to risk your life, thats your business.

This is exactly what the "seatbelt" issue is about. It's not about whether or not you should be wearing it, it's about whether or not the government should be allowed to MAKE you wear it. That's why it was compared to cigarettes. We all know that they are unhealthy but you do not see the government restricting access to them. Why on earth does the government care about your safety in one regard and not the other? It certainly doesn't sound like a "silly seatbelt argument" to me.

[Hilfiger1975]

This is exactly what the "seatbelt" issue is about. It's not about whether or not you should be wearing it, it's about whether or not the government should be allowed to MAKE you wear it. That's why it was compared to cigarettes. We all know that they are unhealthy but you do not see the government restricting access to them. Why on earth does the government care about your safety in one regard and not the other? It certainly doesn't sound like a "silly seatbelt argument" to me.

Thank you...let's just hope EVERYONE see's this like WE see this...the government's history shows that they love to take a little bit here and there...when does it stop? It's not going to stop if people slowly let them take every right we have away...i mean eating a double cheeseburger and a large chocolate shake at McDonald's isn't safe for you either, is that next? The government don't care about the MANY that are homeless in this country, but they want to dictate and worry about who wears a seatbelt in this country...maybe people should look at the rich history of the US government and truly ask themselves, "does the government truly care about my safety?"

[gladdyontherise]

This is exactly what the "seatbelt" issue is about. It's not about whether or not you should be wearing it, it's about whether or not the government should be allowed to MAKE you wear it. That's why it was compared to cigarettes. We all know that they are unhealthy but you do not see the government restricting access to them. Why on earth does the government care about your safety in one regard and not the other? It certainly doesn't sound like a "silly seatbelt argument" to me.

I don't think people should smoke cigarettes, its a disgusting habit and most who smoke always make excuses on why they need to. I'd like to think people have common sense to know smoking can kill you and not wearing a seatbell can kill you as well but lots of people don't have that common sense.

I know in the state of Michigan if you are over 16 you don't have to wear a seatbelt if you are in the backseat though.

[Hilfiger1975]

I don't think people should smoke cigarettes, its a disgusting habit and most who smoke always make excuses on why they need to. I'd like to think people have common sense to know smoking can kill you and not wearing a seatbell can kill you as well but lots of people don't have that common sense.

I know in the state of Michigan if you are over 16 you don't have to wear a seatbelt if you are in the backseat though.

Walking your doggy across the street can kill you too...do you want the government to control that too? There is numerous things in this world that can kill you, but isn't that a right you have if it's not harming anyone to do what you like? Swallowing too much toothpaste can kill you too...so should the government control that too? I can think of about a million things in this world that can kill you, but why doesn't the government care about those?

Starving and being homeless in American can kill you too...but that's also common sense too, BTW...

[gladdyontherise]

Walking your doggy across the street can kill you too...do you want the government to control that too? There is numerous things in this world that can kill you, but isn't that a right you have if it's not harming anyone to do what you like? Swallowing too much toothpaste can kill you too...so should the government control that too? I can think of about a million things in this world that can kill you, but why doesn't the government care about those?

You realize how silly it is to compare these things?

I thought you didnt care about my opinions, so why keep responding?

Again folks, common sense.

[Hilfiger1975]

You realize how silly it is to compare these things?

I thought you didnt care about my opinions, so why keep responding?

Again folks, common sense.

So you are the leading authority on what's important that kill's you and what's not? I think you place your opinion too high once again...

I don't care about your opinions honestly...i'm just amazed at how naive you are...you are in no place to tell people about common sense trust me...

[gladdyontherise]

So you are the leading authority on what's important that kill's you and what's not? I think you place your opinion too high once again...

I don't care about your opinions honestly...i'm just amazed at how naive you are...you are in no place to tell people about common sense trust me...

Hey, if you want to believe walking your dog across the street is the same as driving/riding in the car with no seatbelt on, more power to you. All these things you accuse me of though are just you trying to cause issues, so more power to you.

[Hilfiger1975]

Hey, if you want to believe walking your dog across the street is the same as driving/riding in the car with no seatbelt on, more power to you. All these things you accuse me of though are just you trying to cause issues, so more power to you.

I think Habs pointed out clearly what my point was, but conveniently you didn't post a response on that...I'm not accusing you of anything, it's all here for EVERYONE to see it...