am i wrong here?

[icefields]

hi
just curious about how other members feel about this.

lets say a member posts a WTTF thread asking for certain cards.
and i respond saying i have XYZ card and would trade it to them for ABC card.
he responds then that my card has a bv of $20.00
his is $25.00.
i gotta come up with another 5.00 card.

why do so many members think this way.

i am helping them out with their wants.
i am incurring -- postage, bubble and supplies, gas time etc so they can complete their set.i am giving them what they want and selecting something from their list/bucket that i may just find as tradebait or in order to make a trade.yet they are adament that the trade needs to be "equal". often i feel like saying forget it. i mean its only book value-- not real money, book value an arbitrary amount selected by someone behind a desk in the USA. i hate book value. i like to trade card for card(s).this is supposed to be fun, not a hassle. i realize we need some common ground in order to establish boundries.

okay i feel better now. thoughts/experiemces??

[c_bass22]

Hey buddy by the way I never talked about BV I don,t believe in BV, you offered me a card that is selling for 5$ on ebay a Rick Vaive ITG Decades Auto
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2010-11-ITG-Decades-Autograph-RICK-VAIVE-Auto-/170734916447?pt=US_Hockey_Trading_Cards&hash=item2 7c098135f

for either my Colborne Certified that is selling around 20$
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2011-Certified-Auto-RC-Joe-Colborne-Jersey-Toronto-499-/270863034163?pt=US_Hockey_Trading_Cards&hash=item3 f10b1e733
http://www.ebay.com/itm/11-12-Panini-Certified-Joe-Colborne-Autographed-Rookie-Jersey-008-499-/310361729446?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item484300 29a6
http://www.ebay.com/itm/11-12-Panini-Certified-Joe-Colborne-Rookie-Auto-Jersey-/230707868657?pt=US_Hockey_Trading_Cards&hash=item3 5b742b3f1

or my Kessel Auto #/25
http://i767.photobucket.com/albums/x...oustraders.jpg

No hard feelings????

[Phoenix]

i am helping them out with their wants.
i am incurring -- postage, bubble and supplies, gas time etc so they can complete their set.i am giving them what they want and selecting something from their list/bucket that i may just find as tradebait or in order to make a trade.yet they are adament that the trade needs to be "equal". often i feel like saying forget it.

This is the single most selfish thing I have ever read on these boards and a blatant example of the self entitlement that is becoming more common in this hobby. Seeing these words makes me never want to deal with you.

[MattDMC]

i am helping them out with their wants.
i am incurring -- postage, bubble and supplies, gas time etc so they can complete their set.i am giving them what they want and selecting something from their list/bucket that i may just find as tradebait or in order to make a trade.yet they are adament that the trade needs to be "equal". often i feel like saying forget it.

Doesn't the other person have to spend money on postage, bubble mailers, supplies and gas as well? Do there cards just magically arrive to you?

What I have bolded may just be the dumbest thing I have ever read. We all have to spend money on postage and supplies I don't even see what that has to do with coming to a conclusion on a trade.

[sjw241]

If someone doesn't like the trade offered it's their right to counter or decline. Obviously they didn't need the card in question as badly as you thought.

[Playhard]

The thing that gets me with people say BV on trades only, is they want a card of mine and it's a popular player now and they want to trade a card of there's at BV and I tell them the BV on mine and send them the BV listing they always back out, now if they would of went eBay prices it would of been lower! So people saying BV hurts them on trades sometimes! That's why it should be simple trade, we all know what players are selling hot and what prices! Just keep it easy, but then you got alot of people post a thread for trade but actually there not looking to get rid of card but just to see response on it! Can't tell you how many times people say don't see nothing, when I got a big varity of cards and especially the cards there looking for! I have more luck trading on eBay then I do on this forum when it should be the other way around!

[Captain Habtastic]

hi
just curious about how other members feel about this.

lets say a member posts a WTTF thread asking for certain cards.
and i respond saying i have XYZ card and would trade it to them for ABC card.
he responds then that my card has a bv of $20.00
his is $25.00.
i gotta come up with another 5.00 card.

why do so many members think this way.

i am helping them out with their wants.
i am incurring -- postage, bubble and supplies, gas time etc so they can complete their set.i am giving them what they want and selecting something from their list/bucket that i may just find as tradebait or in order to make a trade.yet they are adament that the trade needs to be "equal". often i feel like saying forget it. i mean its only book value-- not real money, book value an arbitrary amount selected by someone behind a desk in the USA. i hate book value. i like to trade card for card(s).this is supposed to be fun, not a hassle. i realize we need some common ground in order to establish boundries.

okay i feel better now. thoughts/experiemces??

Personally if it was me the $5.00 wouldn't be that big of a deal, but at the same time it's not going to kill you to give up a cheap rookie or insert to get that equal value everyone is looking for. And chances are the card your receiving in return is something you want/need aswell, I haven't run into alot of traders willing to complete my sets without getting back a card there equally happy with.

[CoolHandLuke]

I often trade on BV but at time the BV are totally off. Some make remark about recent versus older card and there is truth to this. I don't trade soly on BV, I use my judgement too and ebay sale value. One sale is not enough but if a card sell for 20$ on reglar basis and the BV is 20$ and you offer a card that book 15$ but sell on regular basis at 5$ then obviously this in not a fair deal. Many of us knows the market very well and BV alone or ebay sale alone are not the total equation. Recent versus older cards you will never move have to come into play.

For instence I was trying to work a deal with a finland member and he was very nice and we did make a trade. I traded a 2 color pacth of this year certifed Patrice bergeron for a ryder card of 2005. While I have zero interest for ryder as a habs, the cards was of the outside game they played at Calgary and book for 50$ so similar to Bergeron that currently sell for 30$ so I estimated the BV around 50$. He wanted other cards but all recent and cards easy to move in a trade like decades auto etc.. all he had to offer was older cards of habs goaltender and some bookng really high. I just like to get Carey price cards when BV is over 20$ or Dryeden, Roy or Habs HOF. All other I only grab what is cheap. The member had a photobucket and the cards I tought were like 10$ were really either gold version at 30 or 40$. I have zero interest in these cards since they book way to much. At the time, some person where willing to pay these price but today they are certainly not worth this ammount and I rather keep my decades auto that book for 15$ as I know I can moce them. So there is a lot on what is movable and what is desirable. BV is only a guide but more then often it's not always very representative. If you trade recent for recent and auto for auto, then BV can work. But when you get into the wider card collectables, the bv is not master.

[icefields]

c bass22 - dude i wasnt referring to you in this thread. man you gotta relax a little. i made up an example to illustrate my point. you're not the only member i trade or attempt to trade with.

as for phoenix (hederman) "This is the single most selfish thing I have ever read on these boards"
you're entitled to your opinion.and please block me if you feel this way.

mattdmc "What I have bolded may just be the dumbest thing I have ever read". thank you for your input as well. this says alot about you.

there just seems to be an underlaying sense of hostility in a "hobby".obviously i failed to make my point effectivley. i was referring to how some "traders" seem to overvalue their cards and undervalue cards they are receiving. and how unfriendly some members are getting as is evident by posts left here.

[CoolHandLuke]

This hobby is like real life. many see it and run it like a business. So if they can make a dollars here, they will. Other are more relax. If you take every post personal, you won’t enjoy this hobby. Remember that some count on making money to pay the bill. Not my issue because I would not be programming here for free. The BV versus eBay sales as been going on forever since I join this site and nothing new to me. One who understand this hobby know it’s in the middle ground that you find the solution. More often then not, when I start PM about a trade I will land it because I can adapt to either eBay and BV. But not everyone see it that way. If a member want to trade on BV only, that is his right. If a other want to trade using eBay sale value, then it’s his right too.

What I don’t get is why do one need to have everyone agree with him. This will never happen and I have close to 50 years experiences on that. No one is perfect and no one hold the truth. If you post with the intention that everyone will agree, to me it’s like putting both fingers strait into your eyes. Especially on this topic. Some members are very friendly and I have the opportunity to meet many that helps out in the SCF staff. After all, they work for free to help fellow members.

I do it too, by coding the TTM, the SCF Inventory and storefront. Not all appreciate and I could point out how rude some member post about the application I code for members to enjoy. Yet, I get more positive feedback then negative and this is what I keep in mind and forget the others. The membership here is no different then real life, w have some good and some bad apples. Also it’s not because someone as a different opinion then yours that is his a bad person.

Internet has created a type of monster that is say what you want, you can’t beat me. Back in my early life, many would never say in person what they post on internet. It make them strong to add a word here and there to make someone feel bad. In my teen years, you would get beat up to say what some post on internet.

Personally, I call some of them coward as the would never post what they post if they had to tell the same thing in front of my face. This is a way for some to give to other what they personally received.

Now, just to make sure, I am not pointing at any one in particular but simply expressing what I feel about certain post I read. I have been a moderator and administrator of forum form 12 years, so I saw many a lot worse then what we see here on SCF.

I think some would definitely need to chill out a bit when posting. There are ways to express opinion and not make the other mad at us. Often it’s only a word too much and I think here on post number 2, it was the case. Now I step down from my position of senior admin and can express a bit more my mind. Maybe sometime, if before pressing a button to submit, if one would think a bit more, these forum would definitely be more enjoyable.

After all, we are only taking about printed cardboard…