Official Monday Night Raw & Smackdown Thread

[geoffyb]

i agree that bigevil has a valid point, but no need to call people stupid. its already implied with the statement.

[geoffyb]

Because Miz is entertaining...If we need a good Wrestling match we can watch Ziggler put someone over.



Eddie Guerrero was one of the most entertaining performers I've ever watched. It's not being 'stupid' or a 'hater'.

Daniel Bryan can wrestle, everyone knows it and acknowledges it, he's not good on the mic and doesn't make me want to watch him when he's on TV though.

i wasn't saying miz isnt entertaining. i was saying that he isn't any better than a mid card wrestler who wouldn't have a chance at beating big show or mark henry and make it believable. its the same situation as d bryan. its no secret that vince mcmahon is very disappointed with his main event heels. mainly because he has none that can be taken seriously as a tough guy heel besides mark henry. he is trying something new and the crowd seems to love it with bryan as champ. it probably won't last long and thats whatever.
if we were basing everything on charisma i believe santino would hold some kind of belt now because he is one of the top 3 guys who are over in the company.

[karter90]

no need for the name calling. i'm one of the biggest d.b. fans on this board and i don't want to get into with everybody. i just hope the guys that can't stand him get his cards and trade them to me. that'd be the best thing out there. Example, if get ziggler plates or reds i'll trade them to geoffyb cause i'm not a fan of his. ziggs is a good wrestler but i just don't like him. no reason really.

if we all like to same guys, this world and our card hobby would really suck!

if you don't like d.b. and have or get any plates or reds please let me know

[keith1369]

i wasn't saying miz isnt entertaining. i was saying that he isn't any better than a mid card wrestler who wouldn't have a chance at beating big show or mark henry and make it believable. its the same situation as d bryan. its no secret that vince mcmahon is very disappointed with his main event heels. mainly because he has none that can be taken seriously as a tough guy heel besides mark henry. he is trying something new and the crowd seems to love it with bryan as champ. it probably won't last long and thats whatever.
if we were basing everything on charisma i believe santino would hold some kind of belt now because he is one of the top 3 guys who are over in the company.

yeah,im thinking punk and bryan are probably better than santino and hornswaggle as champs charisma isnt everything swagger bored the heck out of me

[duwal]

i agree that bigevil has a valid point, but no need to call people stupid. its already implied with the statement.

so you would say that Daniel Bryan should be at the top tier of the company, well ahead of Dolph Ziggler and his wrestling abilities?? Dolph is leagues better than Bryan has shown to be but is stuck not being in main event singles matches

[karter90]

not to for sure about zigg being better than db as far as abilities but they had some awesome matches together! those were some of the best matches late 2010 and early 2011. remember the ic champ zigg vs. the us champ db? AWESOME!!!!!!!!

[detroittigerfan76]

Db can wrestle no denyin that but mic skills to me are no better than david otungas (let the hate begin) lol

Now ziggler can wrestle an entertain

swagger like db can wrestle but bores on the mic both need a good manager
just my opininion

[geoffyb]

so you would say that Daniel Bryan should be at the top tier of the company, well ahead of Dolph Ziggler and his wrestling abilities?? Dolph is leagues better than Bryan has shown to be but is stuck not being in main event singles matches

his comment was about guerrero and benoit. both of these guys remained high mid card guys for a long time before making it to the top. even when they made it as champ people still questioned whether they deserved it. can you look back and question it now?
top tier of the company doesn't have to be limited to orton, cena, punk, and miz. us champ and int. champs are considered the most talented in the company usually and are supposed to be on their way to top spots.
all d bryan has to do is get the crowd involved at all and he is 10x the champ that del rio was. he was a fail. but i do think they gave it a good shot and did all they could to make del rio champ. they are just trying different things out since the usual cena, orton champ thing is old and no one has really received good heat as champ except for mark henry. i will say miz is a really hard worker as well as del rio. do they deserve to be at the top? i would say with del rio's in ring skills yes. miz's mic skills maybe. no one is delivering the complete package. they are just giving bryan a chance to see how it works out. just sit back and watch the show.

[bigevil1985]

wow, nice of you to start insulting members because they have a varying opinion of a wrestler than your own

correction they are not stupid, the opinion is stupid and ill conceived. I don't care if you like D. Bryan or not. But when i see guys on this board say what a huge Benoit fan they where and then poop on the best technical wrestling in mainstream wrestling it makes my g.d. head hurt.

[bigevil1985]

Zigger is awesome. he is also the future of the wwe. but how can anyone say D Bryan cant cut a promo is beyond me. watch this video. then tell me he isn't great on the mic when they let him kill it.