Official Monday Night Raw & Smackdown Thread

[gladdyontherise]

i wasn't saying miz isnt entertaining. i was saying that he isn't any better than a mid card wrestler who wouldn't have a chance at beating big show or mark henry and make it believable. its the same situation as d bryan. its no secret that vince mcmahon is very disappointed with his main event heels. mainly because he has none that can be taken seriously as a tough guy heel besides mark henry. he is trying something new and the crowd seems to love it with bryan as champ. it probably won't last long and thats whatever.
if we were basing everything on charisma i believe santino would hold some kind of belt now because he is one of the top 3 guys who are over in the company.

Well (atleast in my opinion) WWE has done enough to make it seem realistic that a guy like Miz belongs in the same ring and can beat a John Cena or someone like that. Heck, Zack Ryder had a match with Cena and people thought he really had a chance, a year before that Ryder got burried by Sheamus in a 5 second squash match.

Del Rio has just gotten stale. That isn't his fault, but it really is WWE's fault. The charisma is there and if they let him, he's able to put on a great match, but they're spining their tires with Del Rio.

They could've had a GREAT heel in Wade Barrett but they ruined his momentum so much after the Nexus stuff.

(for the record, I've said I think Miz will eventually be a face, and I think the fans would love it)

Zigger is awesome. he is also the future of the wwe. but how can anyone say D Bryan cant cut a promo is beyond me. watch this video. then tell me he isn't great on the mic when they let him kill it.

One promo..His mic work otherwise is rather cringeworthy in my opinion. Seems far to forced and not natural.


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I'm sorry but it's near impossible to believe Daniel Bryan should be WWE champ or is a believable champ. I mean, he JUST lost cleanly to Cody Rhodes on the Smackdown before TLC. Daniel Bryan at this time just isn't over. I think his title reign is likely to go like Swagger's did for example unless they do something drastic to get people to care.

I'd rather see Zack Ryder get the WWE championship right now. He's ridiculously over, sells merchandise (and a lot of it), good on the mic and can put on a solid wrestling match.

Just my .02 though

[karter90]

let me see if i can sum this all up. daniel bryan is a great wrestler, i think most everybody agrees. most of us (even me one of his biggest fans) admit that he isn't a great sports entertianer. if he can get the mic skills and the showmen's flare he could be a big star. i really like the in ring skills that he has but will admit that mic needs some work. i think he'll come around on that but dean malenko and chirs benoit weren't that great on the mic either. especially early in there careers. awesome wrestlers though.

it depends what your watch for. if you dig the wrestlers you like d.b. as champ. if you watch the entertainers your not in favor of it right now.

did i do ok?

ps sorry for any mispelling.

[geoffyb]

that pretty much sums it up. however i disagree with gladdy on bryan not being over. did no one hear the crowd when big show was knocked out. he gets a great reaction from the crowd when he comes out every time. his mic skills aren't there but they are on par with randy orton...

[geoffyb]

the thing is d bryan is champion and im interested to see where they will go with it. it finally was something that wasn't predictable

[karter90]

i think he gets a good crowd reaction too. monday he didn't get as big of a cheer as punk and ryder but who really does get a reaction as big as those two right now. i'm a hugh d.b. fan but orton's mic skills are pretty good for his character. i'm really excited on where they are going with this too. i'd love it if they would let him go with the american dragon character. i think smackdown might have gotten a bit more interesting.

[detroittigerfan76]

I agree DB has great wrestling skills just needs to work on the mic skills. It will all come together for him in time.
Orton still sux on the mic an looks like hes havin a siezure when he pounds the mat.
Not everyone can be an Arn Anderson right off the bat killer mic skills an ring skills. I admit im curious to see where this all goes.

[MCXC1987]

I agree DB has great wrestling skills just needs to work on the mic skills. It will all come together for him in time.
Orton still sux on the mic an looks like hes havin a siezure when he pounds the mat.
Not everyone can be an Arn Anderson right off the bat killer mic skills an ring skills. I admit im curious to see where this all goes.

You can't blame him for that. Its what the give him as a character...sadly. His Viper gimmick is him being crazy and with some screws loose. His Legend Killer stuff was sooo much better and I wish one day they'd bring that back.

[geoffyb]

i liked orton better when he was the cocky heel and not the superman face.

[detroittigerfan76]

You can't blame him for that. Its what the give him as a character...sadly. His Viper gimmick is him being crazy and with some screws loose. His Legend Killer stuff was sooo much better and I wish one day they'd bring that back.

I totally agree Orton as the Legend Killer was far more entertaining than the Super Orton

[frizzzlecake]

You can't blame him for that. Its what the give him as a character...sadly. His Viper gimmick is him being crazy and with some screws loose. His Legend Killer stuff was sooo much better and I wish one day they'd bring that back.

so true I miss RKO's to oldtimers. His Feud with UnderTaker that ended at Mania was one of my personal favorites I honestly thought Orton was going to break the streak.