The truth about the trinity

[mrveggieman]

First of all let me preference by saying that I did not write this article. I "borrowed" it from another discussion board. I would like to get the forums thoughts on it. Obviously some of the people on here are going to strongly disagree with it. If you do please provide proof of why. BTW I will accept biblical proof if can prove your point.


The truth about Trinity
The early christians did not believe in the Trinity. According to history, In year 325 A.D the trinity was establish in the Council of Nicea. This means that the Trinity was established 325 years after Jesus died. Therefore the trinity was not approved by God. and It was not approved by Jesus (because Jesus didn’t live while the trinity was established). The word trinity does not exist in the bible, and the formulation of the Trinity is not mentioned in the bible neither. Therefore trinity is based on falsehood and has nothing to do with the original teachings of christianity. And it is obvious that christianity has become distorted.

Most christians believe that Jesus was God’s son. If Jesus was God’s son, then when does he become God? Because if someone is a son, then he one day must become a father. As we can see, the belief that Jesus was the son of God, is illogical and it is based on falsehood. God can not have a son. God is not a human being. Only a human being can have a son. If God had a son, then it would exist two Gods. And that would be illogical. Therefore, when Jesus is described as God’s son in the bible, it should not be understood literally. The word son, in the bible, most likely have a symbolic meaning. In the bible, other persons are also described as the sons of God. For example, David is described as the Son of God in the bible (See Psalms 2:7).

Many christians even go as far claiming that Jesus was God. They claim that Jesus was God reincarnated. If Jesus was God, then why did christians believe that he died? As we know, God is immortal. But human beings die. So since Jesus died he could not have been immortal. Ergo, Jesus was not God. If Jesus was God, then why did he prayed to God? Does a god need to pray to a god? That would be completely illogical and absurd. The reason why Jesus prayed to God, was because he was a human being and needed help and support from God. In the bible, it says that Jesus prayed to God (see Matthew 26:39, Matthew 26:42, Matthew 26:44 and Luke 5:16).
There is not a single verse in the bible, where it says that Jesus is God. The christians who claim that Jesus is God, has misunderstood the whole christian religion. And they have ignored the original teachings of christianity. All messengers that came before Jesus were humans. So it makes no sense when people claim that Jesus was more than a human. Noah, Abraham, Jakob, Isak, Josef, Moses, and Muhammed were only humans. So Jesus was just a human, just like all of the other messengers.
Many people wonder when the doctrine of the Trinity began for the first time in our history. There were many doctrines of the Trinity in the past. But most likely the doctrine of a trinity was established for the first time in ancient Babylon. According to historians, this civilization flourished around 5000 years ago. Here is a list of the trinity gods of different religions:

Babylon: King, Prince and Queen.
Egyptian religion: Osiris, Horus and Isis.
Indian religion: Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva.
Phoenician: Baal, Ashtoreth and Tammuz.
Greek religion: Zeus, Apollo and Hera.
Roman religion: Jupiter, Mars and Venus.
Christianity: The Father, Jesus and Holy Spirit.

The Trinity is a pagan doctrine taken from other religions, which became a part of Christianity. Trinity does not belong to the original teachings of Christianity. Those who established the Trinity in the Council of Nicaea 325 A.D were most likely inspired by pagan religions. As i mentioned earlier, the Trinity was established 325 years after Jesus died. Therefore the trinity was not approved by God. And It was not approved by Jesus (because Jesus didn’t live when the doctrine trinity was established).

[mrveggieman]

Mods please move this to Politics and Religion. Thanks.

[gatorboymike]

"The Trinity is an outrageous piece of semantic flummery designed to confuse, not enlighten. And it follows a basic rule in religion that, ideally, not only should the thing you believe be absolutely impossible, but any explanation of it should be impossible to understand. And the Trinity obliges handsomely on both counts, as these three entities - the father (God), the son (Jesus), and the holy spirit (your guess is as good as mine) - become as one (miraculously, of course) while remaining separate, so that each is uniquely God, yet each is completely God. I know. You could listen to an explanation from now until next week and be none the wiser, which is, of course, the whole idea."
- Pat Condell

[theonedru]

Most of Christianities concepts are stolen from other religions........

[mrveggieman]

Do any of our Christian bretheren have any response to this article?

[shortking98]

I am a Christian and do not believe in the trinity for scriptural reasons. I don't have time at the moment to type up a detailed response right now but I think the first argument made by the writer here was his strongest.

[mrveggieman]

I am a Christian and do not believe in the trinity for scriptural reasons. I don't have time at the moment to type up a detailed response right now but I think the first argument made by the writer here was his strongest.

Thanks for responding and I appreciate your honesty. Does mrtaxman, intimidator or ensbergcollector have anything to say about this article?

[ensbergcollector]

Thanks for responding and I appreciate your honesty. Does mrtaxman, intimidator or ensbergcollector have anything to say about this article?

i'll pass. every time i post in a religion thread it becomes an attack on christianity. not feeling up to it today.

[mrveggieman]

i'll pass. every time i post in a religion thread it becomes an attack on christianity. not feeling up to it today.

I did not post this article as an attack on christanity or anything else. If a religion weather it be christanity, judiasm, hiduism, islam or whatever your favorite religion is indeed the true religion it should be able to stand up against scrutiny and prove itself as true. To be perfectly honest I am dissapointed that you are passing on this because I was really interested in hearing a preacher's spin on this.

[ensbergcollector]

I did not post this article as an attack on christanity or anything else. If a religion weather it be christanity, judiasm, hiduism, islam or whatever your favorite religion is indeed the true religion it should be able to stand up against scrutiny and prove itself as true. To be perfectly honest I am dissapointed that you are passing on this because I was really interested in hearing a preacher's spin on this.

feel free to read through every single religion thread. none have we been able to have a productive conversation. if someone posts that they agree with you, they receive "thank you, i appreciate your opinion" if I post it opens the floodgates for how wrong christianity is. You are welcome to look at every single religion thread we have had. If I thought someone actually wanted to know, i would probably reply.