God Hates Shrimp!

[Wickabee]

Here's a question for Christians.
Now, mental problems aside (genuine psychopaths and such) is a sin really a sin if you truly believe in your heart it is not?
For example, homosexuality. Now, Christians would see someone living that lifestyle and call him/her a sinner. But that person truly believes it is not a sin. Truly and genuinely believes homosexuality is an okay thing in the eyes of God.

Now, I realize this sort of falls into "ignorance of the law is no excuse for breaking said law" but we're not talking about cold, hard law here. We're talking about a loving and fair God.

If the sin of the body is not a true sin of the heart, is it real sin?

[theonedru]

Th thing you must remember and people forget is that the Bible is INSPIRED by God but WRITTEN by man as such its just a bunch of humans thoughts on the way we should live our lives not Gods. a such eat what you want when you want but remember those creatures you consume gave of themselves so you can go on.

[ensbergcollector]

Here's a question for Christians.
Now, mental problems aside (genuine psychopaths and such) is a sin really a sin if you truly believe in your heart it is not?
For example, homosexuality. Now, Christians would see someone living that lifestyle and call him/her a sinner. But that person truly believes it is not a sin. Truly and genuinely believes homosexuality is an okay thing in the eyes of God.

Now, I realize this sort of falls into "ignorance of the law is no excuse for breaking said law" but we're not talking about cold, hard law here. We're talking about a loving and fair God.

If the sin of the body is not a true sin of the heart, is it real sin?

is there anyone who would actually argue that they think homosexuality is acceptable in the eyes of God? i know people will argue that "God gave me these desires so they can't be wrong" but that is in no way a justification. Once kids become teenagers they have a strong desire to have sex. However, the bible clearly states that sex is for marriage. could teenagers have all the sex they want and just say "God gave me these desires so they cant be wrong"?

[StainLss]

Now, I realize this sort of falls into "ignorance of the law is no excuse for breaking said law" but we're not talking about cold, hard law here. We're talking about a loving and fair God.

Why is God's law not the "cold hard" law? If God is sovereign how can we possibly say his law is not 100% correct, and perfect. Yes you are right God is Love and God is Just. But part of loving your child is disciplining your child. If God did not discipline us (hell) for breaking his rules.. there would be no point for the rules. We have God's law so we follow it... if God was okay with us breaking his laws he would not have made them and Hell would not exist

[Wickabee]

is there anyone who would actually argue that they think homosexuality is acceptable in the eyes of God? i know people will argue that "God gave me these desires so they can't be wrong" but that is in no way a justification. Once kids become teenagers they have a strong desire to have sex. However, the bible clearly states that sex is for marriage. could teenagers have all the sex they want and just say "God gave me these desires so they cant be wrong"?

I'm sure many could. Most notably those who believe in God but not the Bible itself.

Why is God's law not the "cold hard" law? If God is sovereign how can we possibly say his law is not 100% correct, and perfect. Yes you are right God is Love and God is Just. But part of loving your child is disciplining your child. If God did not discipline us (hell) for breaking his rules.. there would be no point for the rules. We have God's law so we follow it... if God was okay with us breaking his laws he would not have made them and Hell would not exist

2 things:
1 - God's law changes. Case in point, it used to be wrong to eat shrimp. It's not now.

2 - If God's discipline is hell, what's the point? Or rather, why do you discipline your children (if you have any)? Is it to punish or to teach? I think most would agree the ultimate goal of discipline is to teach. But if the discipline is an eternity in hell, what are you teaching and what purpose does that lesson serve? To me it seems the answer would be none.
This is why I don't believe in hell, it serves absolutely no purpose to a loving and just God. It only serves purpose to a vengeful, angry, jealous God.

[StainLss]

I'm sure many could. Most notably those who believe in God but not the Bible itself.


2 things:
1 - God's law changes. Case in point, it used to be wrong to eat shrimp. It's not now.

2 - If God's discipline is hell, what's the point? Or rather, why do you discipline your children (if you have any)? Is it to punish or to teach? I think most would agree the ultimate goal of discipline is to teach. But if the discipline is an eternity in hell, what are you teaching and what purpose does that lesson serve? To me it seems the answer would be none.
This is why I don't believe in hell, it serves absolutely no purpose to a loving and just God. It only serves purpose to a vengeful, angry, jealous God.

Who are we to judge what God decides to do? We only know love and punishment in our human minds. How can we even begin to think we can contemplate Gods love? Also do you believe God is not Angry and Jealous?

Anger
Behold, the day of the Lord comes, cruel, with wrath and fierce anger, to make the land a desolation and to destroy its sinners from it. Isaiah 13:9

Then the anger of the Lord will be kindled against you, and you shall perish quickly from off the good land that he has given to you. Joshua 23:16

While the food was still in their mouths, the anger of God rose against them, and he killed the strongest of them and laid low the young men of Israel. Psalm 78:30-31

Jealous
for the LORD your God, who is among you, is a jealous God and his anger will burn against you, and he will destroy you from the face of the land.

I honestly don't know your background, with God but I really think you have the wrong image of God in your mind. He is NOT the happy go lucky, puppies, and cupcakes, skipping through fields of flowers God, that people like Joel Osteen preach about. Our God hates our sin, it is everything he is not. Im Gods eyes everything IS black and white. God can not love sin, he does not let unrepentant sinners into his kingdom, their sins have not been payed for and God will not be around that.

As for the laws changing they changed with the New Covenant (or New Promise) God was allowing Jesus to pay for our sins, we no longer had to make sacrifices and keep some laws of the Old Testament, because Jesus's blood was spilled in our names. We no longer had to give anything to God, our debt had been payed.

[pspstatus]

Who are we to judge what God decides to do? We only know love and punishment in our human minds. How can we even begin to think we can contemplate Gods love? Also do you believe God is not Angry and Jealous?





I honestly don't know your background, with God but I really think you have the wrong image of God in your mind. He is NOT the happy go lucky, puppies, and cupcakes, skipping through fields of flowers God, that people like Joel Osteen preach about. Our God hates our sin, it is everything he is not. Im Gods eyes everything IS black and white. God can not love sin, he does not let unrepentant sinners into his kingdom, their sins have not been payed for and God will not be around that.

As for the laws changing they changed with the New Covenant (or New Promise) God was allowing Jesus to pay for our sins, we no longer had to make sacrifices and keep some laws of the Old Testament, because Jesus's blood was spilled in our names. We no longer had to give anything to God, our debt had been payed.

This illustrates a huge problem I have. You're right, it's actually pretty clear in the Bible that God doesn't go around shooting rainbows out of his fingers. To read the Bible is to see that God seems to be very fond of vengeance certainly. He is obsessed with being constantly praised and worshipped. His ego led him to destroy Job to prove to Satan how loyal his followers were. He also has proven through the Bible that if you defy him his wrath and brutality know no bounds. I remember reading one story about some kids making fun of a bald monk or priest. Their punishment? Being mauled by bears. Huh?!

That type of being reminds me of a tyrant maybe someone who would have ruled during the time that the Bible was written. A king perhaps who demanded undying loyalty from his people using harsh punishments on the ones who defied him. Something like a Roman Emperor throwing Christians to the lions.

Why does God, being superior to humans, stoop to using comparable tactics to that of the most evil of us mortals? Also if he hates sin so strongly then why would he himself resort to sinful acts like getting revenge?

[Wickabee]

I do believe God can become angry and jealous. However, the concept of Hell, which is eternal with no hope of getting out, is not a concept any loving and just God would use to teach, merely to punish.

So yes, I do believe he is those things, but he is so much more and hell doesn`t fit into anyone`s plans except Satan. Hell is a concept of man and I strongly believe that.

As for judging God's law, don't look now, but everyone does it, especially religious people.

[AUTaxMan]

I do believe God can become angry and jealous. However, the concept of Hell, which is eternal with no hope of getting out, is not a concept any loving and just God would use to teach, merely to punish.

So yes, I do believe he is those things, but he is so much more and hell doesn`t fit into anyone`s plans except Satan. Hell is a concept of man and I strongly believe that.

As for judging God's law, don't look now, but everyone does it, especially religious people.

Since heaven is the reward for being faithful to God, maybe hell is merely the absence of that reward.

[ensbergcollector]

I do believe God can become angry and jealous. However, the concept of Hell, which is eternal with no hope of getting out, is not a concept any loving and just God would use to teach, merely to punish.

So yes, I do believe he is those things, but he is so much more and hell doesn`t fit into anyone`s plans except Satan. Hell is a concept of man and I strongly believe that.

As for judging God's law, don't look now, but everyone does it, especially religious people.

hell was spoken about too often by Jesus himself for us to say it is a concept of man.

however, i do believe that hell is the absence of God