Birth Certificate Analysis

[AUTaxMan]

I'm not 100% sure about this but the way I understand the law is that if a US citizen gives birth overseas that that child is considered to be a natural born citizen of the US.

That's true.

[duane1969]

It isnt relavent to this situation... Just arguing the point that all elected officials are vetted before they are allowed to win an election is simply not always the case... Again, I believe the birth certificate is fine but to just assume it is ok is not the best way to look at it

I was being facetious

[pspstatus]

That's true.

What's these peoples argument? Even if he was born in Kenya or wherever it doesn't really matter. It seems like a moot point to me.

[AUTaxMan]

What's these peoples argument? Even if he was born in Kenya or wherever it doesn't really matter. It seems like a moot point to me.

it's a stupid issue and a moot point. i just thought the analysis interesting because it looks like the document on the WH website is a fabrication.

[mrveggieman]

it's a stupid issue and a moot point. i just thought the analysis interesting because it looks like the document on the WH website is a fabrication.

And how would you know this? What are the know signs of a forged birth certificate?

[AUTaxMan]

And how would you know this? What are the know signs of a forged birth certificate?

If you had actually watched the videos posted in the article (the entire point of this thread), you would understand.

[mrveggieman]

If you had actually watched the videos posted in the article (the entire point of this thread), you would understand.

I will take a look. I can't look at it from the job and my cell phone co has slowed the bandwith on my phone so I can't look at videos again for another 1-2 weeks.

[pghin08]

it's a stupid issue and a moot point. i just thought the analysis interesting because it looks like the document on the WH website is a fabrication.

I read the article and watched the videos (except the presser), and I'm sorry, I'm just not buying it. It makes no sense. Why would the White House fabricate his birth certificate anyways? They don't have to. For as much as birthers harp on the merits of the Constitution, it would do them well to read it.

Article II, Section I of the Constitution states:

"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

There's no doubting that he matches the last two qualifications. But those alone, to most people, do not qualify you to be President. That's a fair enough assessment. So, we go back to whether or not he is a citizen of the United States.

You have to go to Title 8 of the United States Code to truly determine this. However, it's very clear. United States Code, Title 8, Chapter 12, Subchapter III, Part I, Section 1401-G reads as follows:

"A person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years"

Again, let's go through it. Obama's father, Barack Sr., though he was a U of Hawaii student, was an alien. Nobody is saying that Barack's dad was a US citizen at that time. However, he ended up marrying Stanley Ann Dunham, Barack Jr.'s mother, prior to Barack Jr.'s birth.

So now we look at Stanley Ann Dunham, the President's mother. Born in Wichita, Kansas in 1942. When she was young, her and her family moved around a lot, but all within the U.S. After graduating from high school in 1960, she and her family moved to Hawaii (which had become the 50th state the year prior).

How does she measure up to HER qualifications then? She was in the United States for her entire childhood, and the whole time up to Barack's birth. Therefore, Stanley Ann Dunham qualifies under Title 8 of the United States Code to have her son, Barack Hussein Obama, obtain legal US citizenship upon his birth. It doesn't matter AT ALL where Obama was born, only that he was born to Stanley Ann Dunham.


I sincerely hope this dismisses any birther argument at all. So all this being said, why would the White House fabricate a document which they don't really have to fabricate?

[Star_Cards]

I read the article and watched the videos (except the presser), and I'm sorry, I'm just not buying it. It makes no sense. Why would the White House fabricate his birth certificate anyways? They don't have to. For as much as birthers harp on the merits of the Constitution, it would do them well to read it.

Article II, Section I of the Constitution states:

"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

There's no doubting that he matches the last two qualifications. But those alone, to most people, do not qualify you to be President. That's a fair enough assessment. So, we go back to whether or not he is a citizen of the United States.

You have to go to Title 8 of the United States Code to truly determine this. However, it's very clear. United States Code, Title 8, Chapter 12, Subchapter III, Part I, Section 1401-G reads as follows:

"A person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years"

Again, let's go through it. Obama's father, Barack Sr., though he was a U of Hawaii student, was an alien. Nobody is saying that Barack's dad was a US citizen at that time. However, he ended up marrying Stanley Ann Dunham, Barack Jr.'s mother, prior to Barack Jr.'s birth.

So now we look at Stanley Ann Dunham, the President's mother. Born in Wichita, Kansas in 1942. When she was young, her and her family moved around a lot, but all within the U.S. After graduating from high school in 1960, she and her family moved to Hawaii (which had become the 50th state the year prior).

How does she measure up to HER qualifications then? She was in the United States for her entire childhood, and the whole time up to Barack's birth. Therefore, Stanley Ann Dunham qualifies under Title 8 of the United States Code to have her son, Barack Hussein Obama, obtain legal US citizenship upon his birth. It doesn't matter AT ALL where Obama was born, only that he was born to Stanley Ann Dunham.


I sincerely hope this dismisses any birther argument at all. So all this being said, why would the White House fabricate a document which they don't really have to fabricate?

I always thought the issue was moot. Definitely seems as such after reading the laws. Even if the certificate is fake it doesn't seem to matter. Although, I think the only reason this whole argument got any sort of traction the second time was because Trump was looking to promote the apprentice, which was coming to it's finale at the time.

[pghin08]

I always thought the issue was moot. Definitely seems as such after reading the laws. Even if the certificate is fake it doesn't seem to matter. Although, I think the only reason this whole argument got any sort of traction the second time was because Trump was looking to promote the apprentice, which was coming to it's finale at the time.

That's the biggest point. They wouldn't go through the hassle of instituting a cover-up of something that didn't need to be covered up.