How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[ensbergcollector]

I know most churches in the south make you stand up walk to the front of the church to give thides. If you are sitting down everyone can see that you are not giving anything that week.

i would be careful of your use of the word most. i'm not sure what denomination you have been associated with but I have been at a pretty large number of churches and have never seen this. I have heard of it, but never seen it.

[AUTaxMan]

i would be careful of your use of the word most. i'm not sure what denomination you have been associated with but I have been at a pretty large number of churches and have never seen this. I have heard of it, but never seen it.

Southern Baptists are the largest non-Catholic denomination in the country, and neither they, nor the Catholics, subscribe to this practice.

[Wickabee]

Technically, I was responding to Religion being called a business. My actual point was that Salvation cannot be purchased with money. Religion isn't going to save you either. Church cannot save you. Baptism cannot save you. Good deeds cannot save you. Only trusting in Jesus Christ can save you. That was the point.

Beautifully said, thank you.

There's nothing wrong with passing the plate, however, I see your point. I would rather that they had an anonymous box, but that's not the way that it's done. I don't put money in it most of the time, because my wife usually has it anyway, so if they are watching me, they are going to be very disappointed. You have to have the attitude that your giving is between you and God and it's nonone's business anyway. I give the money to God, not to the church.

That's how Jehovah's Witnesses do it. For the very reason that it's no one's business how much or little you put in. They also seem to realize that $5 from someone who's very poor means way more than $1000 from a rich man.

[boba]

Technically, I was responding to Religion being called a business. My actual point was that Salvation cannot be purchased with money. Religion isn't going to save you either. Church cannot save you. Baptism cannot save you. Good deeds cannot save you. Only trusting in Jesus Christ can save you. That was the point.

You do have to be careful with this. Jesus said in John 14:15, If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.

All the things you mentioned are essential for salvation.

[Wickabee]

You do have to be careful with this. Jesus said in John 14:15, If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.All the things you mentioned are essential for salvation.

Religion is in no way essential for anything.
Religion is man's perversion of God.
Spirituality and a good heart are what's needed for salvation.

[boba]

Religion is in no way essential for anything.
Religion is man's perversion of God.
Spirituality and a good heart are what's needed for salvation.

Do you believe in the Bible, I wont waste your time if you don't.

[Wickabee]

Do you believe in the Bible, I wont waste your time if you don't.

Does the bible not say "Man cannot lead man for it is as the blind leading the blind"?
All religions are organizations of a sort. The second you have an organization, you have a leader or leaders. The second you have leaders, you are following the blind.

[boba]

Does the bible not say "Man cannot lead man for it is as the blind leading the blind"?
All religions are organizations of a sort. The second you have an organization, you have a leader or leaders. The second you have leaders, you are following the blind.

I agree with this. Thats why Jesus should always be the head of the Church. In the Biblical Church there should be no creeds ( as it's creed should be the Bible ). There shouldn't be people that claim to be closer to God then others. But there is a way to be saved that Jesus laid down for us that does require you to do something.

[Wickabee]

I agree with this. Thats why Jesus should always be the head of the Church. In the Biblical Church there should be no creeds ( as it's creed should be the Bible ). There shouldn't be people that claim to be closer to God then others. But there is a way to be saved that Jesus laid down for us that does require you to do something.

Speaking only of Christianity, yes. However I don't for a second believe any one religions version of it, be it Catholic, Baptist, Quaker, Whatever. These are all man-made organizations who have human leaders.

That's where it all fails for me. It's nice to say Jesus is the head of your church, but I find that it's mostly lip service. Even if the followers believe it, the leaders are just counting their money.

[boba]

Speaking only of Christianity, yes. However I don't for a second believe any one religions version of it, be it Catholic, Baptist, Quaker, Whatever. These are all man-made organizations who have human leaders.

That's where it all fails for me. It's nice to say Jesus is the head of your church, but I find that it's mostly lip service. Even if the followers believe it, the leaders are just counting their money.

But not all Churches are like this, there are some who genuinely have Jesus as their leader. I understand what you think about Churches as many if not most denominations are like this and give all Churches a bad name. But I will tell you that not all are like this.