Trayvon Martin

[AUTaxMan]

Actually, in eastern Canada we have a large black population that trace their roots from Africa by way of America and the underground railroad. In out bigger cities like Toronto and Montreal the black population is mostly of Jamaican heritage.

At the end of the day, according to the Bible most of you put your faith in, we are all Iraqis.

Persians.

[WilyWestbrook0]

After he already received medical treatment. Lovely close up grainy shots in that video by the way with the news logo covering his head anyways half of it. I guess the cops just lied in the report to cover up the shooting. You have a witness who confirms Martin was on top of Zimmerman beating his face and slamming his head into the concrete. I guess that's not enough.

http://www.thegrio.com/specials/tray...s-of-fight.php

If nothing else, this case turns up more and more curiosities, few of which are in favor of Zimmerman's account.

[AUTaxMan]

http://www.thegrio.com/specials/tray...s-of-fight.php

If nothing else, this case turns up more and more curiosities, few of which are in favor of Zimmerman's account.

Where do they get this?

"Zimmerman also did not have any cuts or bruises on him the day of the murder, though sources say he was treated before being brought to the police station."

It is directly contradicted by the police report.


Also, I wouldn't consider the funeral director's testimony on the issue unbiased, since he is being paid by the family. The coroner's report would be the best evidence on that issue.

[mikesilvia]

Wow, this thread is long!

The crazy thing about this case is the mis-information. I sat in a restaurant just two days ago and two ladies were saying it was a cop or an under-cover cop that shot Martin as he was running away. People spread information without any facts. I thought this article summed up this very well: http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...black-teenager

The facts are an independent witness saw Martin pounding Zimmereman and the 9-11 tapes clearing show Zimmerman screaming for his life for 45-60 seconds. I don't know about you, but if a guy is beating me unconscious and I have a gun, I'm going to use it regardless of his race, sex, religion, etc.

People like Spike Lee give send an address to 200k people and not get in trouble. What if the old couple was killed? They already had to move from their home: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...ujjS_blog.html

Another problem is with the Black Panthers putting out a hit.

This week their were several children killed by gun violence, to include a child killed by a drive bye where 40+ bullets were shot. But because they were not sensational stories we don't hear about it. Here is one of them: http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...police-officer

I was personally called a racists on my Facebook page because I stated that people shouldn't jump to conclusions and we need to hear all the evidence. I didn't jump on the band wagon and join hoody marches in my city so I was called out.

It's a sicken case. The true victims in this case are Martin (dead), Zimmerman (not getting a fair trial, hunted by the Black Panthers) and Martin's family (lost their loved one). People have lost sight of that. Zimmerman is also a victim because he is getting tried by a jury on the internet with limited information. I found it funny that the same people that swore OJ was innocent with a mile of evidence are now convicting Zimmerman with the very little evidence, and even that evidence points to self defense (witness collaborative Zimmerman's story).

If it is true that Martin punched and then stomped Zimmerman for 45 seconds, it was justifiable self defense. If he is getting kicked unconscious, no man or women should hope that when they are unconscious the attacker will stop. The same people that are stating that Zimmerman had no right to follow Martin have yet to say that Martin had NO RIGHT to be beating a man for 50-60 seconds while he is screaming for his life.

In my view Zimmerman should get parole. His life is changed forever. The ironic part is that thanks to his conviction on the internet, he will be assaulted or killed in a racially motivated way, but it won't be a hate crime because he's "White Hispanic". The media will cover it and bear much of the responsibility for any assault that happens to him.

[theonedru]

Wow, this thread is long!

The crazy thing about this case is the mis-information. I sat in a restaurant just two days ago and two ladies were saying it was a cop or an under-cover cop that shot Martin as he was running away. People spread information without any facts. I thought this article summed up this very well: http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...black-teenager

The facts are an independent witness saw Martin pounding Zimmereman and the 9-11 tapes clearing show Zimmerman screaming for his life for 45-60 seconds. I don't know about you, but if a guy is beating me unconscious and I have a gun, I'm going to use it regardless of his race, sex, religion, etc.

People like Spike Lee give send an address to 200k people and not get in trouble. What if the old couple was killed? They already had to move from their home: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...ujjS_blog.html

Another problem is with the Black Panthers putting out a hit.

This week their were several children killed by gun violence, to include a child killed by a drive bye where 40+ bullets were shot. But because they were not sensational stories we don't hear about it. Here is one of them: http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...police-officer

I was personally called a racists on my Facebook page because I stated that people shouldn't jump to conclusions and we need to hear all the evidence. I didn't jump on the band wagon and join hoody marches in my city so I was called out.

It's a sicken case. The true victims in this case are Martin (dead), Zimmerman (not getting a fair trial, hunted by the Black Panthers) and Martin's family (lost their loved one). People have lost sight of that. Zimmerman is also a victim because he is getting tried by a jury on the internet with limited information. I found it funny that the same people that swore OJ was innocent with a mile of evidence are now convicting Zimmerman with the very little evidence, and even that evidence points to self defense (witness collaborative Zimmerman's story).

If it is true that Martin punched and then stomped Zimmerman for 45 seconds, it was justifiable self defense. If he is getting kicked unconscious, no man or women should hope that when they are unconscious the attacker will stop. The same people that are stating that Zimmerman had no right to follow Martin have yet to say that Martin had NO RIGHT to be beating a man for 50-60 seconds while he is screaming for his life.

In my view Zimmerman should get parole. His life is changed forever. The ironic part is that thanks to his conviction on the internet, he will be assaulted or killed in a racially motivated way, but it won't be a hate crime because he's "White Hispanic". The media will cover it and bear much of the responsibility for any assault that happens to him.

If it is true that Martin punched and then stomped Zimmerman for 45 seconds, it was justifiable self defense.

What if martin was doing this in self defense of what Zimmerman was doing to him? Lord knows If I had some wanna be cop with past issues and a gun after me I would defend myself without end. Should martin have been killed for rightfully defending himself from an altercation that never should have happened?

[BGT Masters]

You'd think if Zimmerman had it in his mind just to shoot TRayvon and had the gun drawn, he would have done so before he started getting beat on. And I can say if someone had a gun drawn on me, I wouldn't go attacking them because they'd drop me with a bullet before I even got off a punch.

[theonedru]

Zimmermans downfall will be that he followed the kid after being informed not to. Any decent lawyer will rip the guy apart after that

[mikesilvia]

What if martin was doing this in self defense of what Zimmerman was doing to him?

That is the problem. We are missing a full minute, but these are the facts:

1. The police report states Zimmerman had a wet back, bloody nose and lacerations.
2. The independent witnesses heard on the 9-11 recording state that Martin was beating Zimmerman and Zimmerman was screaming. Listen to the 9-11 call and it sounds like Zimmerman feared for his life. He was screaming like he was being eating by a Zombie. He had the cuts and bruises to prove it.

Lord knows If I had some wanna be cop with past issues and a gun after me I

would defend myself without end.

There is no evidence to prove that Martin knew Zimmerman had a gun. Do you think he would have turned and attacked a man with a gun? Would you if you had some distance?

Should martin have been killed for rightfully defending himself from an altercation that never should have happened?

Does Zimmerman have a right to should someone that is beating him unconscious? Or should he just take the beating and hope that he isn't killed? All the evidence points to Zimmerman getting beat for nearly 60 seconds. Listen to the tape and the interview of the witnesses.

[mikesilvia]

Zimmermans downfall will be that he followed the kid after being informed not to. Any decent lawyer will rip the guy apart after that

Not true. Read the police report. He states that when he was told to stop, he did and headed to his SUV. He states that martin came up from behind and said, "Do you have a problem?" and Zimerman stated, "no" and reached for his phone. He states Martin said, "well now you do" and punched him, knocking him down and then stomping his face and head. Then listen to the 9-11 tape of Zimmerman screaming for help for nearly 60 seconds.

[mikesilvia]

Here is the audio of Zimmerman screaming: