How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[pspstatus]

Even if you do believe that the whole Bible is real, how do you explain some of the seriously messed up things that take place in it?

[shrewsbury]

Even if you do believe that the whole Bible is real, how do you explain some of the seriously messed up things that take place in it?

i guess it would depend on what messed up thing your talking about.
if you are referring to strictly to the "old testament", i will have to say, as a christian it more tells the story of how the religion began and its past, but it has little to do with jesus and his teachings.

[pspstatus]

i guess it would depend on what messed up thing your talking about.
if you are referring to strictly to the "old testament", i will have to say, as a christian it more tells the story of how the religion began and its past, but it has little to do with jesus and his teachings.

I posted a bunch of questions a few pages back regarding these things. Nobody answered.

[Paddington]

i watched, well listened to the video.

and if you look outside the religious sect for answers you will see a non faith based approach. the gnostics (not the books but the people)did exist before the church, this is historically proven.

and many debate whether thomas predates luke, mark, mathew and john. if you base your decision on writing analasys then it would seem thomas was the first and the others elaborated on it to write luke, mark, mathew and john.

here is the issue we are having, i do believe the gospels to be written by who they say they are, but there is no way to prove this with archeology or other historical writers, but i still believe.

but the gospels of thomas, mary, peter and judas, also have just as a strong history and archeological evidence to say they maybe did come from their said sources.

i cannot tell you they did, but i will not base my decision of the bias of the church, or the blind eyes and deaf ears of christians who refuse to study and research on their own.

i am certain in time, jesus will let me know where to look and what to look for, not the church. i think he wants me to have an open heart and mind and find my own way to Him.

Then take it from a secular source, Wikipedia. The Gnostics were not written until 150-200 A.D. and later. In other words, they were NOT written by the actual eyewitnesses who were actually there, like the Bible was. Big difference.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnostic_Gospels





Here is an excerpt from it. They all came much later than the biblical canon and not written by the eyewitnesses according to secular wikipedia:

1. The Gospel of Thomas is held by most to be the earliest of the "gnostic" gospels composed. Scholars generally date the text to the early-mid 2nd century.[9] The Gospel of Thomas, it is often claimed, has some gnostic elements but lacks the full gnostic cosmology. However, even the description of these elements as "gnostic" is based mainly upon the presupposition that the text as a whole is a "gnostic" gospel, and this idea itself is based upon little other than the fact that it was found along with gnostic texts at Nag Hammadi.[10] Some scholars including Nicholas Perrin argue that Thomas is dependent on the Diatessaron, which was composed shortly after 172 by Tatian in Syria.[11] A minority view contends for an early date of perhaps 50, citing a relationship to the hypothetical Q document among other reasons.[12]
2. The Gospel of the Lord, a gnostic but otherwise non-canonical text, can be dated approximately during the time of Marcion in the early 2nd century. The traditional view holds Marcion did not compose the gospel directly but, "expunged [from the Gospel of Luke] all the things that oppose his view... but retained those things that accord with his opinion" [13] The traditional view and dating has continued to be affirmed by the mainstream of biblical scholars,[14][15] however, G. R. S. Mead [16][17] have argued that Marcion's gospel predates the canonical Luke and was in use in Pauline churches.
3. The Gospel of Truth[18] and the teachings of the Pistis Sophia can be approximately dated to the early 2nd century as they were part of the original Valentinian school, though the gospel itself is 3rd century.
4. Documents with a Sethian influence (like the Gospel of Judas, or outright Sethian like Coptic Gospel of the Egyptians can be dated substantially later than 40 and substantially earlier than 250; most scholars giving them a 2nd century date.[19] More conservative scholars using the traditional dating method would argue in these cases for the early 3rd century.[citation needed]
5. Some gnostic gospels (for example Trimorphic Protennoia) make use of fully developed Neoplatonism and thus need to be dated after Plotinus in the 3rd century.[20][21]

[Paddington]

Even if you do believe that the whole Bible is real, how do you explain some of the seriously messed up things that take place in it?

It's because of sin. It's not God's fault that men to what they do.

[theonedru]

It's because of sin. It's not God's fault that men to what they do.

God is the creator all ALL things

War
Disease
Greed
Sexual Infidelities
Pain Suffering
Sin
Torture

The list is long but you get my point

He created these so how is he not responsible for them? Unless God really doesn't care and we are more playthings to amuse him in his eyes than anything else....

[shrewsbury]

dude, from wikipedia?

theonedru;

god created humans, we created everything on that list

the catch 22 is he created us with free will, so we can do what we want, whetehr right or wrong, he did not creates robots to worship him

it is like a parent whose child grows up and makes their own choices, you gave them the tools they need, but how they use them is not up to you. you will be proud, sad, angered, and even frightened by their choices, but it is their choice

when we view god as this outside source, we can easily remove ourself from him and also blame him for the good and bad

when you look inward for him, you no longer can blame anyone but yourself, we may wish for intervention but we are the only reason he hasn't intervened

this is just my point of view, no problem with a different one, just wanted to share my thoughts

[Paddington]

God is the creator all ALL things

War
Disease
Greed
Sexual Infidelities
Pain Suffering
Sin
Torture

The list is long but you get my point

He created these so how is he not responsible for them? Unless God really doesn't care and we are more playthings to amuse him in his eyes than anything else....

God didn't create sin. Man chose to sin. The pain and suffering that this world currently experiences is because of sin. A sin is when someone does something that is against what God wants them to do.

[habsheaven]

Kind of ironic. God created man and man created God. Where does that leave us?

[shrewsbury]

a duality?