How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[Paddington]

*The Bible is God's word. God cannot lie.*

The bible is Mans INTERPRETATION of Gods words. God can lie, he invented the whole concept of lying, sure man has free will but remember if you truly believe in the bible does it not state that God created ALL things...

False. The bible is NOT man's interpretation of God's words. They ARE God's words written down through man. God cannot lie. Yes God created all things, He was referring to objects, not behavior. Lying is a choice. God did not create lying.

[theonedru]

False. The bible is NOT man's interpretation of God's words. They ARE God's words written down through man. God cannot lie. Yes God created all things, He was referring to objects, not behavior. Lying is a choice. God did not create lying.

care to explain your double standard, if he created all things but not lying then he did not create all things.... And God did not write the bible, man did so there goes that theory as well......

[ensbergcollector]

care to explain your double standard, if he created all things but not lying then he did not create all things.... And God did not write the bible, man did so there goes that theory as well......

ok, i have tried to stay out of this for the most part but i will jump in.

when my wife and I had our daughter, we created life. When my daughter lies, does that mean we created lying? come on, you are better than that.

also, if an author dictates to an assistant who does the typing, who "wrote" the book? the author or the assistant? Christians believe that God inspired the words of scripture. Just because a person physically wrote the words does not mean that God did not write the bible. (not saying you have to believe it, just saying it isn't as cut and dry and you attempt to make it)

[habsheaven]

I have a problem with this:

Paddington says, "It DOES all fit together and it wasn't written by one man, it was written by 40 men over a 1500 year period in different parts of the world and many of them didn't have access to the others writings. God inspired them. God controlled what was written. There is no way that it isn't God's word."

My understanding is that the bible was compiled by a "council of religious leaders" that basically reviewed 100's of writings and only those that fit a certain criteria were included in the bible. If that is the case, how can anyone claim that the fact all the books "fit" together means they are undeniably, God's words?

How the bible was compiled (by man) automatically casts doubt on its authenticity as "God's word".

[shrewsbury]

habs, where were you about20 posts back? i have explained all that before, with some details, but was shot down as it was all lies

[pspstatus]

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That doesn't make sense to me. My parents have been the most important people in my life. I think it means basically that if your family doesn't believe in God the way God thinks they should that you turn from them. I will forsake them for noone.

The point is that we are to place God above all else, including our family. God does command you to be good to your parents. By placing God first, you WILL be the best son you can be to them. God isn't asking you to forsake them.


Exactly God wants us to put him in front of everyone. Why would I do that? I love my parents more than I could ever love a God, especially one that so demands this devotion.

So did he create us to help him lead his kingdom or for us to worship and glorify him?

Yes! You have no idea the blessings that are in store for His people.

1Co 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

Man I don't want to be disrespectful but this sounds so rediculous. It's just another thing you're excepting on blind faith alone.

That's exactly what I'm saying. Satan challenged God and instead of telling satan to kiss his butt he let him destroy Job's life to prove satan wrong.

Because through Job's suffering, He glorified God in heaven among the angels and proved satan a liar among the demons. How demoralizing for the enemy. Job was blessed greatly for his faithfulness.

How was Job blessed? How do you know? What about the rest of his family? Were they blessed as well? Satan doesn't seem to be too demoralized if he's still such a prominent figure. You also are proving my point. God let satan put a man through unimaginable suffering to glorify himself. If this is true God strikes me as someone who calling them vain would be a vast understatement.

How does satan have so much power if he's supposed to be sitting in a huge chunk of ice?

I don't know why you think satan is sitting on a huge chunk of ice. he currently rules in this world because Adam gave him the power. God hasn't taken it from satan yet because God is using satan to see who will choose to serve God and who will choose to serve satan. FREEWILL.

My mistake there. I was confusing the ice thing with something else. You bring up something interesting. Just because I don't choose to serve God that doesn't mean I serve satan.



Where is your proof of this? Your proof can come from a book but mine can't?

Frankly, the burden of proof is on the accuser. If you look at the actual writings and not what some liar said that wrote a book, you will find that it's not in the actual writings. It's a huge hoax.

I feel the same way about the Bible. The difference is you will dismiss anything that doesn't jive with your belief system as lies. I gave the Bible a chance and found it to be unreliable.

If science ever proved that homosexuality isn't a choice would that ever change your opinion on this?

I would equate it to this. Is is ok for me to cheat on my wife or have sex before I'm married? No. But I desire those things. So what, it's still a sin. Just because you are tempted to do something or struggle with it, doesn't make it not a sin. God does NOT hate gay people.

These are two different things. When you marry someone you take a vow to be faithful to them which is why cheating would be a sin. If a gay person is naturally gay and not making a choice to be gay then they are sinning by being who they naturally are. That makes no sense to me.

As far as I can tell from the research I have done is that these stories do not all fit together. Furthermore I believe I have seen so many contradictions from different books that it's very hard for me to believe this all came from one source.

It DOES all fit together and it wasn't written by one man, it was written by 40 men over a 1500 year period in different parts of the world and many of them didn't have access to the others writings. God inspired them. God controlled what was written. There is no way that it isn't God's word.



There are so many contradictions in the Bible. If you choose not to see that then I won't argue with you about it.

So is the KJV right or wrong?


I believe that it is right, yet not perfect. Sometimes you need to look at the meaning of the original greek/hebrew words to get the most accurate translation of the word.


I will fully admit that I am not fully trusting in the lord. My best friends brother happens to be gay. I knew he was gay when he was about 7 years old. I believe it was not a lifestyle choice but a natural instinct for him. I do not believe he is a sinner and I love him like a brother. If God believes that because this man is gay that he belongs in hell then no i do not think God necessarily knows best.

No one is going to hell because they are gay or a sinner. They go to hell because they reject Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. If He will repent and turn his life over to Jesus Christ, he will be saved like anyone else.

So if he accepts Jesus but still lives as a homesexual until the day he dies then he's all good?

I will say again, thank you for your responses but I can't help but notice that you failed to respond again to certain things such as slavery, gender inequality and so forth. Some things are just hard to deny ay?

[ensbergcollector]

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I will say again, thank you for your responses but I can't help but notice that you failed to respond again to certain things such as slavery, gender inequality and so forth. Some things are just hard to deny ay?

for what it's worth, which i know to those opposed to christianity it isn't much, women in the new testament were looked at much better than the cultural norm and much better than the jewish law.

[pspstatus]

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for what it's worth, which i know to those opposed to christianity it isn't much, women in the new testament were looked at much better than the cultural norm and much better than the jewish law.

But they still weren't considered equal though right? I believe they were still submitted to the will of their husbands.

[AUTaxMan]

But they still weren't considered equal though right? I believe they were still submitted to the will of their husbands.

What do you think that means?

[pspstatus]

I think that means that women are considered to be less equal than men.