How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[ensbergcollector]

I think that means that women are considered to be less equal than men.

Not true. The.husband being the head of the household does not mean women are not equal. My wife would readily tell you I am the leader of the family but has never felt less equal. In fact, it is the men who are called to sacrifice themselves for their wives.

[pspstatus]

Not true. The.husband being the head of the household does not mean women are not equal. My wife would readily tell you I am the leader of the family but has never felt less equal. In fact, it is the men who are called to sacrifice themselves for their wives.

I hear what you're saying and I agree that the men are called to sacrifice themselves but I don't think that is because the sexes are considered to be equal.

[habsheaven]

To claim that religion considers men and women equal is utter nonsense. Before secular society came to its senses and started attempting to treat women equally, such a notion would have been laughed at by the masses.

[ensbergcollector]

To claim that religion considers men and women equal is utter nonsense. Before secular society came to its senses and started attempting to treat women equally, such a notion would have been laughed at by the masses.

again, look at the new testament. in a time when women weren't even viewed as reliable witnesses to crimes, christianity had women in leadership roles. while women are called to submit to their husbands, men are called to sacrifice themselves for their wives. While it might not look equal 2000 years later, christianity was pushing serious boundaries on women's roles.

[ensbergcollector]

I hear what you're saying and I agree that the men are called to sacrifice themselves but I don't think that is because the sexes are considered to be equal.

why do you think it is then?

[habsheaven]

again, look at the new testament. in a time when women weren't even viewed as reliable witnesses to crimes, christianity had women in leadership roles. while women are called to submit to their husbands, men are called to sacrifice themselves for their wives. While it might not look equal 2000 years later, christianity was pushing serious boundaries on women's roles.

Care to elaborate. What roles are you referring to?

[theonedru]

again, look at the new testament. in a time when women weren't even viewed as reliable witnesses to crimes, christianity had women in leadership roles. while women are called to submit to their husbands, men are called to sacrifice themselves for their wives. While it might not look equal 2000 years later, christianity was pushing serious boundaries on women's roles.

Yet they were still repressed. Why would a God allow Men mastery over women, thats sexist and discriminatory and proves 1 of 3 things

1. God is not perfect, unlike what the bible says
2. The Bible was written by men to support their needs not Gods word (more readily proven)
3. God is a pig who cares little for those whom he made in their own image and we are but mere toys made for his sick perverted self pleasure.

[ensbergcollector]

Care to elaborate. What roles are you referring to?

i'm on my way out but check out the beginning of romans 16. Talk of phoebe being a deacon in the church. She receives as glowing a reference from paul as anyone, male or female

[ensbergcollector]

Yet they were still repressed. Why would a God allow Men mastery over women, thats sexist and discriminatory and proves 1 of 3 things

1. God is not perfect, unlike what the bible says
2. The Bible was written by men to support their needs not Gods word (more readily proven)
3. God is a pig who cares little for those whom he made in their own image and we are but mere toys made for his sick perverted self pleasure.

and that is why i have stayed out of this thread. there are people who don't actually want answers, just an opportunity to bash christianity.

care to explain mastery? so if I file my taxes as head of household am I being sexist?


"husbands, love your wives, just as christ loves the church"

"husbands, love your wives and do not be harsh with them"

"In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself."

yeah, explain these quotes in a culture that look upon women as non-people

[habsheaven]

i'm on my way out but check out the beginning of romans 16. Talk of phoebe being a deacon in the church. She receives as glowing a reference from paul as anyone, male or female

You mean this Phoebe?

Was Phoebe a “Deaconess”?


On the basis of Romans 16:1-2, some have contended that:

1. Phoebe was a church official (deacon);
2. the church was to “assist her,” implying her authority over the church;
3. she had been a “helper” (prostatis) of many, implying “authority, discipline, over-seeing.”

All of this is alleged to show that Phoebe was a preacher-leader in the early church.

However:

1. The word diakonos simply means a “servant” (Matthew 23:11; John 2:5, etc.), and any official attachment to the term must be demanded by the context, as in Philippians 1:1 and 1 Timothy 3:8.
2. The fact that the saints were encouraged to “assist” Phoebe did not imply her authority over them. The Greek word paristerni meant to “come to the aid of, help, stand by” (Arndt and Gingrich, 633). When Paul said, “[T]he Lord stood by pareste me” (2 Timothy 4:17), he certainly was not asserting that he exercised authority over Christ!
3. The word prostatis (helper) does not necessitate oversight. If so, then Phoebe exercised authority over Paul, for she had been his helper as well as others! Though it is found only here in the New Testament, the term, which can connote simply rendering assistance, is used in a third-century B.C. letter from a son to his father (the verbal form): “[T]here will be nothing of more importance for me than to look after you for the remainder of life, in a manner worthy of you, and worthy of me” (Moulton and Milligan 1963, 551).