How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[ensbergcollector]

Nowhere there does it say or imply "husbands treat your wives as equal". Moreso, it implies that they are your possessions and you should treat them well.

if you read those quotes and what you take from it is that women are the possessions of their husbands then i might as well bow out of the conversation because you are only seeing what supports your stance. i have no idea how you get that from those quotes but to each his own.

[habsheaven]

if you read those quotes and what you take from it is that women are the possessions of their husbands then i might as well bow out of the conversation because you are only seeing what supports your stance. i have no idea how you get that from those quotes but to each his own.

If you read those quotes and take from it that God is implying they are equal I guess we are at an impasse. It would be interesting to see the full text surrounding those quotes.

[pspstatus]

why do you think it is then?

Probably because it seems like the right thing to do.

[pspstatus]

again, look at the new testament. in a time when women weren't even viewed as reliable witnesses to crimes, christianity had women in leadership roles. while women are called to submit to their husbands, men are called to sacrifice themselves for their wives. While it might not look equal 2000 years later, christianity was pushing serious boundaries on women's roles.

That may be so but I believe the old testament and new testament came from the same source. Even though the new testament may be kinder towards women I don't think that means that what God says in the old testament is irrelevant.

[mrveggieman]

again, look at the new testament. in a time when women weren't even viewed as reliable witnesses to crimes, christianity had women in leadership roles. while women are called to submit to their husbands, men are called to sacrifice themselves for their wives. While it might not look equal 2000 years later, christianity was pushing serious boundaries on women's roles.

Some people who were christian did indeed push for civil rights for women, minorities and others however a lot of them did not. Just like some blacks, whites, muslims, jews, atheists, etc fought for civil rights. There were also a lot of racist jerks such as jerry fallwell, pat robertson and others who used christanity to promote racism, slavery, hatred, homophopbia, division and a vast variety of social ills. I'm sorry but I cannot accept that christanity as a whole lead the way for curing our social ills but it was a diverse group of people from all backrounds who fought for the common good for all people.

[ensbergcollector]

Some people who were christian did indeed push for civil rights for women, minorities and others however a lot of them did not. Just like some blacks, whites, muslims, jews, atheists, etc fought for civil rights. There were also a lot of racist jerks such as jerry fallwell, pat robertson and others who used christanity to promote racism, slavery, hatred, homophopbia, division and a vast variety of social ills. I'm sorry but I cannot accept that christanity as a whole lead the way for curing our social ills but it was a diverse group of people from all backrounds who fought for the common good for all people.

oh, i'm sorry, i thought we were talking about scripture, not individuals that make it easy for us to attack.

the new testament, regardless of what christians have done with it, was generations ahead of its time in its view of women.

[shrewsbury]

That may be so but I believe the old testament and new testament came from the same source. Even though the new testament may be kinder towards women I don't think that means that what God says in the old testament is irrelevant.

the old testament itself did not come from one source, neither did the new testament, so no they did not come from the same source nor written in the same era.

you are talking about 2 different covenants with god, so (some of us) christians do not 'go by" the old covenant that has nothing to do with us and our relationship with god. only the new covenant involves us unchosen folks and only jesus as our way to god.

and again, the bible is hardly the only source of understanding what god, through jesus, wants for us and requires of us.

[mrveggieman]

oh, i'm sorry, i thought we were talking about scripture, not individuals that make it easy for us to attack.

the new testament, regardless of what christians have done with it, was generations ahead of its time in its view of women.

You can pick any holy book and say that it can be viewed as either pro women or anti-women. People pick and chose from their favorite books for their own personal political agenda. It dosen't prove a thing.

[ensbergcollector]

You can pick any holy book and say that it can be viewed as either pro women or anti-women. People pick and chose from their favorite books for their own personal political agenda. It dosen't prove a thing.

so now i can't even use the bible as a reference in a thread about scripture? glad to know the ground rules.

[mrveggieman]

so now i can't even use the bible as a reference in a thread about scripture? glad to know the ground rules.

You can but you can't use any holy book to prove itself right.