How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[shrewsbury]

I know that neither of them came from one source. Come on Shrews you know I don't believe they came from where they supposedly came from.

Even if the are two different covenants aren't they both still from the same God?

i know you do my friend.

The same God, i will have to give you that. and now we are treading in a place few will go, at least go without freaking out, accusing, or thinking you are crazy.

now we get into how does God have a son? why would God need to redo anything, he is God? Why would He have chosen people? He knew all this was coming before he even created us, so why bother?

i have my own personal answers for this, and i do not believe you can pick up the bible and figure out any of this, but it can help. i think if you start pulling things out and thinking about it, then put it all back together, things seem a bit different.

don't get me wrong, i don't claim to KNOW anything, nor know more, just perhaps look at it slightly different than some do. some will think i am a fool, some won't care, while others may think i THINK i know what i am talking about.

discussions are truly the best way to learn anything, but when others refuse to listen even a little bit, then it is all useless.

[pspstatus]

i know you do my friend.

The same God, i will have to give you that. and now we are treading in a place few will go, at least go without freaking out, accusing, or thinking you are crazy.

now we get into how does God have a son? why would God need to redo anything, he is God? Why would He have chosen people? He knew all this was coming before he even created us, so why bother?

i have my own personal answers for this, and i do not believe you can pick up the bible and figure out any of this, but it can help. i think if you start pulling things out and thinking about it, then put it all back together, things seem a bit different.

don't get me wrong, i don't claim to KNOW anything, nor know more, just perhaps look at it slightly different than some do. some will think i am a fool, some won't care, while others may think i THINK i know what i am talking about.

discussions are truly the best way to learn anything, but when others refuse to listen even a little bit, then it is all useless.

I'm ok with treading there. You have to go to the edge to find out what's beyond it. I'll try not accuse or freak out but I can't guarantee that I'M not crazy.

Just like you I won't claim to know anything for sure but I do have some strong beliefs. Debating things with an open mind may not change someones opinion but I think it can help everyone to become more knowledgable. Even if I still don't agree with everything people have said in this thread I certainly have learned a lot from their thoughts.

[shrewsbury]

I'm ok with treading there. You have to go to the edge to find out what's beyond it. I'll try not accuse or freak out but I can't guarantee that I'M not crazy.

Just like you I won't claim to know anything for sure but I do have some strong beliefs. Debating things with an open mind may not change someones opinion but I think it can help everyone to become more knowledgable. Even if I still don't agree with everything people have said in this thread I certainly have learned a lot from their thoughts.

great post!

maybe we should start a few new threads, kind of feel like we are hijacking this one?

[pspstatus]

great post!

maybe we should start a few new threads, kind of feel like we are hijacking this one?

Thank you.

I think maybe we are hijacking a bit. After 292 posts in here I'm not even sure what this thread was even originally about.

[mrveggieman]

That's how P&R threads go. The start as one thing but evolve to something completely different. Feel free to sign me up. I'm always down for a good religious discussion.

[Paddington]

ALL holy books claim to be correct and claim that all others are false.

True, so why does everyone attack only Christians when they claim to have the truth? Because it's a spiritual thing. Christians really do have the truth and it's offensive to the unsaved.

[andrewhoya]

True, so why does everyone attack only Christians when they claim to have the truth? Because it's a spiritual thing. Christians really do have the truth and it's offensive to the unsaved.

They dont only attack Christians.

[pspstatus]

True, so why does everyone attack only Christians when they claim to have the truth? Because it's a spiritual thing. Christians really do have the truth and it's offensive to the unsaved.

As far as I know there are no Buddhists, Muslims, Jews (besides myself, didn't see that coming did ya?), Taoists, Hindus, etc on these boards to debate with. And nobody is attacking Christians here anyway.

[habsheaven]

True, so why does everyone attack only Christians when they claim to have the truth? Because it's a spiritual thing. Christians really do have the truth and it's offensive to the unsaved.

There's nothing OFFENSIVE about it. It's really just quite sad when you think about it.

[ensbergcollector]

As far as I know there are no Buddhists, Muslims, Jews (besides myself, didn't see that coming did ya?), Taoists, Hindus, etc on these boards to debate with. And nobody is attacking Christians here anyway.

you must not be paying attention. anytime a christian tries to claim anything they get met with serious opposition even if they are only answering a direct question. if you are atheist or universalist you are pretty much cool and free from opposition. anyone who takes a stance on anything religious is fair game.