Psa/dna - jsa

[NY Sports Teams]

I do not understand why anyone would buy any of the big names Jordan, Mantle Ted Williams, etc with psa or jsa. If FBI experts can not tell the difference on some fakes I find it hard to believe that they can. There is a reason UDA and Steiner sell for as much as they do, you know the item is %100 real. JSA witness and PSA on site stuff on the other hand I do trust buying, some shows use them as the COA for their shows, CSA, GTSM, etc. The best thing to do is educate yourself.

Very true.

I'd love a signed Ted Williams baseball. I could never buy one because every time I looked at the PSA/DNA sticker I'd think of this video or the tons of mistakes the buffoons have made. Like I always say, do you really know if your PSA/DNA item is authentic?

...Rick

[blkdodge]

Buy an Upper Deck Williams ball and you will have no worries.

[NY Sports Teams]

I wish I could, but I've got to see the item signed in front of me. That way when I look at my collection I have no doubt everything is authentic, unlike individuals who have items authenticated by PSA/DNA, JSA or any of the other Bozo's.

...Rick

[The Mick]

I will not defend anyone here. That being said, we are dealing with human beings that make mistakes. Clearly, a major mistake was made by both of the Big 2 and someone caught it. AWESOME! I'm sure they will make it right. There have been many mistakes made by all authenticators, but there have also been tens of thousands of correct authentications as well! In our world, we NEED some third party to facilitate auction and on line sales. PSA and JSA is what we have now and like it or not, they are the BEST we have. The FBI accepts them as do I, but not blindly.

I applaud anyone that calls out these errors. I also applaud all the solid authentications out there. Without them, where would we be? I've been in this since the Wild Wild West of the early 80's when half the stuff you saw was bad and no one really knew. I much prefer it now.

[blkdodge]

I wish I could, but I've got to see the item signed in front of me. That way when I look at my collection I have no doubt everything is authentic, unlike individuals who have items authenticated by PSA/DNA, JSA or any of the other Bozo's.

...Rick

UDA Ted Williams ball with paperwork and matching hologram is %100 legit, that is why they cost what they do.

[NY Sports Teams]

I will not defend anyone here. That being said, we are dealing with human beings that make mistakes. Clearly, a major mistake was made by both of the Big 2 and someone caught it. AWESOME! I'm sure they will make it right. There have been many mistakes made by all authenticators, but there have also been tens of thousands of correct authentications as well! In our world, we NEED some third party to facilitate auction and on line sales. PSA and JSA is what we have now and like it or not, they are the BEST we have. The FBI accepts them as do I, but not blindly.

I applaud anyone that calls out these errors. I also applaud all the solid authentications out there. Without them, where would we be? I've been in this since the Wild Wild West of the early 80's when half the stuff you saw was bad and no one really knew. I much prefer it now.

I guess I'm not one who accepts mistakes. My whole adult life I've worked in a job that ONE mistake will get you killed or someone else. This is their job. To miss something so blatant is a joke. When you say there have been tens of thousands of correct authentications I question that. If they can make such a huge mistake in this case how can anyone trust ANYTHING they have to say? I've had quite a few friends who have received in-person auto's, which I saw signed, only to come back as bad. Yet they can authenticate known forgeries. I have absolutely zero, nada, zilch trust in anything these buffoons have to say. Like I said, if you have an item authenticated by these individuals do you really know if it is 100% authentic?

...Rick

[NY Sports Teams]

UDA Ted Williams ball with paperwork and matching hologram is %100 legit, that is why they cost what they do.

I'm going to have to research this. I appreciate it.

...Rick

[hawk2618]

This is the MAIN reason why I stick to vintage cards.Its bad enough you can't tell if a vintage is real or fake.Now we have to worry about a signature being real just as much as the card? Along with any memorabilia for that matter. ~~Dave C.

[NY Sports Teams]

This is the MAIN reason why is stick to vintage cards.Its bad enough you can't tell if a vintage is real or fake.Now we have to worry about a signature being real just as much as the card? Along with any memorabilia for that matter. ~~Dave C.

Great point. I'm not well versed in cards being put into encapsulated cases but I've heard that there are fake cases out there. I know it's happened with PSA/DNA cases but I have not heard of any from Beckett. If that starts happening there will be big problems with graded cards.

...Rick

[OSUJeffrey]

Hawk,
This is the same reason I also exclusively collect vintage. They are less popular and unless we are talking tobacco cards or Mantle etc.... There is not enough money in them for counterfeit cards to surface...
I tried to get in collecting modern patch autos and more but it was to much hassle. I sold them all and feel better for it.

Rick,
I agree and admire your conviction..... I hope some day you can find a Williams auto that meets your standards.. I just retired from service and my hat is off to you, thanks.