Psa/dna - jsa

[NY Sports Teams]

Hawk,
This is the same reason I also exclusively collect vintage. They are less popular and unless we are talking tobacco cards or Mantle etc.... There is not enough money in them for counterfeit cards to surface...
I tried to get in collecting modern patch autos and more but it was to much hassle. I sold them all and feel better for it.

Rick,
I agree and admire your conviction..... I hope some day you can find a Williams auto that meets your standards.. I just retired from service and my hat is off to you, thanks.

Thanks and my hats off to you also.

I talked with our insurance agent about getting a rider for my collectables. He said that there needs to be an authentication for each item that is covered. I told him the only two items I have with an authentication is a Nolan Ryan baseball and a Brett Favre 16x20. They are the only two items that were not signed in-person and I don't know 100% if they are authentic. I believe they are since they came from the players foundation/website with the hologram but as I said I did not see them signed. I ended up going with another company for insurance.

...Rick

[hawk2618]

I'm not able to view links in threads here.Can someone give me a very short summary of the clip?I also was curious.If the clip is about a psa/dna item that was forged somehow? All PSA items have a certification # on them.As long as # is in the PSA system,it has to be considered real correct? Whenever I purchase a PSA on ebay,I ALWAYS make sure to look up the # on their site to confirm,its in their system.I really hope there NEVER comes a day,where you can't even purchase a PSA item and wonder "Is that really a PSA product,even though its in the system?" ~~Dave C.

[NY Sports Teams]

I'm not able to view links in threads here.Can someone give me a very short summary of the clip?I also was curious.If the clip is about a psa/dna item that was forged somehow? All PSA items have a certification # on them.As long as # is in the PSA system,it has to be considered real correct? Whenever I purchase a PSA on ebay,I ALWAYS make sure to look up the # on their site to confirm,its in their system.I really hope there NEVER comes a day,where you can't even purchase a PSA item and wonder "Is that really a PSA product,even though its in the system?" ~~Dave C.

Short summary. PSA/DNA authenticated a baseball that was signed by Ty Cobb. The baseball itself was produced well after Cobb's death so therefore there was no way that Cobb could have signed it. You do not receive a certification # until PSA/DNA authenticates the item as real.

Many in the hobby consider anything that is authenticated by PSA/DNA as real, I don't. You said "I really hope there NEVER comes a day, where you can't even purchase a PSA item and wonder Is that really a PSA product,even though its in the system? That day has come and gone a long time ago. As I said before these they have authenticated many, many, many items that in fact are not authentic. If they could mess up on such an obvious error with a Cobb ball how can anything they authenticate be trusted. Just because the item has a PSA/DNA sticker that does make make the item genuine. For all those who have items authenticated by PSA/DNA and think their items are authentic I hope they are for your sake.
For me I would always wonder if it is or is not a genuine signature.

I'm posting a link so possibly you will be able to view the video.

YOU NEED TO CLICK ON THE ORANGE BOX WITH THE LINK TO VIEW THE VIDEO.



Here is a link on counterfeit cards.



...Rick

[TPotts]

I always have and always will trust my own eye before these jokers... It's nicer than my own pocket too...

[hawk2618]

I can't view videos either,thanks though.I'm missing adobe flash,and somehow my pc won't allow the download.That is pretty sad how they couldn't catch that.Collectors put way too much stock in autos anyway.I do pick up auto lots from time to time under 20 bucks though and I now own about 20-30 auto cards.The most expensive one was I think 8 bucks.
As long as I think they're real.I'm cool with that.No need to spend $15 to tell me its real only to find out it might be fake later. ~~Dave C.

[NY Sports Teams]

I always have and always will trust my own eye before these jokers... It's nicer than my own pocket too...

That is so true. I know I'm a very good judge on some players graphs but many I'm not that knowledgeable. One thing that is tough is there are limited resources for known in person auto's. If your going by PSA/DNA, JSA examples for reference than you might as well just have them authenticate the item. Another thing that is tough is many times a players in-person auto especially when they are rushed differs quite a bit from a sit down show auto. Plus some players like Eli Manning for example give you an "Eli M____g" when at training camp.

I'm also going to put a link for this guy's home youtube page. He also has many examples of what to look for when these scammers insert fake patches into the cards.

http://www.youtube.com/user/JOEMLM/videos

...Rick

[TPotts]

Yeah I hear that, you gotten be open minded for sure. Another good example for me personally was Vicks "MV7" instead of the full sig. Although, theyre still close enough to make a judgement. But if I have any question I just stay away.

Another thing is that if you do buy a fake it's at you're own fault, not someone else's!!

[NY Sports Teams]

Yep.

I wish I could start a website that only has in-person auto's that are used for examples. The problem is you have to trust people who send a photo/scan for the example. I'm not willing to do that. Also many of these scans and photo's are not clear enough to really help...Rick

EDIT: One other thing. There is a website that you can subscribe to that gives examples. The problem with that is I believe they also use PSA/DNA, JSA as examples

[chajones]

The Heritage Auction Company and PSA recently released this photo as proof of the validity of the ball. I already double checked and the Flux Capacitor was invented in 1953 so this is plausible.

[jaydoublez]

If you need a source for IP autos look in my bucket LOL