How To Get To Heaven When You Die

**~~theonedru~~** · 05-01-2012, 11:18 PM

Originally Posted by Paddington View Post

The biblical account of Jesus Christ is much more reliable than the history of George Washington. Do you believe George Washington was President of the United States?

Asides from bible accounts, show me the scientific proof of your claim. Also your claim above is not true sorry to say, there is hard evidence of Washington's acts from multiple sources NONE of Jesus besides the Bible, and people cannot prove the validity of it.

**~~bangsportscards~~** · 05-01-2012, 11:45 PM

I didn't read the entire 34 pages yet.

I've settled my stance on the statement below.

As many cards as there are in circulation to collect there may very well be just as many ideas to collect about how you handle life with or without a God.

Thus it will always be a very wide topic to discuss.

**habsheaven** · 05-02-2012, 07:53 AM

Originally Posted by Paddington View Post

People don't rise from the dead unless they are God in the flesh. That's exactly who Jesus is. You have the choice to believe what you wish, but that doesn't exempt you from the consequences of your choices. The evidence is on my side. Eyewitness history, Secular History and Church History and other writings are on the side of the Bible being true.

You apparently need a lesson in the definition of EVIDENCE. You do not have 1 ounce of evidence supporting anything you have said in this thread. I suggest you familiarize yourself with the teachings of a native american shaman. He too, has all the "evidence" showing his stories to be TRUE. The hypocrisy shown by followers of every religion is mind-numbing. Keep preaching to the malleable, it apparently works.

**Star_Cards** · 05-02-2012, 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by Paddington View Post

It's history is based upon God's working with man to bring Him to salvation. While it does record historical events therein, it's not the focal point, Christ Jesus is.

I know that the historical events aren't the focus, that is why it isn't an historical document. However, people like to say it's historical because it mentions proven historical events.

The origin of Captain America used historical events but that doesn't make the story any more real.

**pghin08** · 05-02-2012, 09:32 AM

Originally Posted by Star_Cards View Post

I know that the historical events aren't the focus, that is why it isn't an historical document. However, people like to say it's historical because it mentions proven historical events.

The origin of Captain America used historical events but that doesn't make the story any more real.

I beg to differ. Captain America is real.

**Star_Cards** · 05-02-2012, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by Paddington View Post

The biblical account of Jesus Christ is much more reliable than the history of George Washington. Do you believe George Washington was President of the United States?

This is completely absurd. George Washington's existence, while not witnessed by any of us, is well documented by various sources during his life. I didn't witness his presidency in person, but I know 100% that he was the president of the united states. Now, I will listen to questions about specific happenings that he may or may not have done or things that may not have happened the exact way it was reported, but saying George Washington was a president is in no way a belief similar to that of people's belief in Jesus Christ.

**Star_Cards** · 05-02-2012, 09:48 AM

and let me add this... I'm perfectly fine with claims of a man existing that is Jesus Christ even to the extent that he went around claiming to be the son of god and teaching his religion that he created. I'm also able to see that he would have been crucified due to him preaching a religion that the majority (at the time) deemed wrong. It's the supernatural aspects that do not float. Things like the immaculate inception, his resurrection, Adam and Eve, and so on. To claim that those things are historical has no validity.

**habsheaven** · 05-02-2012, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by Star_Cards View Post

and let me add this... I'm perfectly fine with claims of a man existing that is Jesus Christ even to the extent that he went around claiming to be the son of god and teaching his religion that he created. I'm also able to see that he would have been crucified due to him preaching a religion that the majority (at the time) deemed wrong. It's the supernatural aspects that do not float. Things like the immaculate inception, his resurrection, Adam and Eve, and so on. To claim that those things are historical has no validity.

Me too. Problem is that you are told to accept everything; hook, line and sinker, no matter how outrageous the other claims are.

**Star_Cards** · 05-02-2012, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by habsheaven View Post

Me too. Problem is that you are told to accept everything; hook, line and sinker, no matter how outrageous the other claims are.

I just never grasped how people can do that. I get wanting to believe and liking the idea of how christianity says it all happened. There are plenty of fictional stories that are great stories and are nice to think about and teach great lessons, but to literally believe these supernatural things and that they happened on the earth that we know seems odd to me.