White House - Do Not Kill List

[tpeichel]

Wait.....wait....wait...

Where was this outrage by the GOP when Guantanamo Bay had people detained with NO DUE PROCESS under the Bush administration REGARDLESS of nationality?!?!?

Where was this outrage by the GOP when the Bush administration was torturing POWs which is ILLEGAL by the Geneva convention?!?!?

By my understanding Dick Cheney is a WAR CRIMINAL who is scared to leave the U.S...


The GOP: Grand Old HYPOCRICY Party....

Hypocrisy is the Presidential candidate who railed against every one of the policies the Bush Administration put in place to fight terrorism in 2008, but has continued, and even expanded upon, almost all of those very same policies during his own tenure.

[habsheaven]

I agree that all men are created equal, but when you become an enemy of the U.S., our laws have different standards for how citizens and non-citizens are treated.

I understand that. It just doesn't sound right to me. If, as a country, you decide that all your citizens deserve a certain level of protection under the law wouldn't you want to offer that same level of protection to everyone?

[JustAlex]

Hypocrisy is the Presidential candidate who railed against every one of the policies the Bush Administration put in place to fight terrorism in 2008, but has continued, and even expanded upon, almost all of those very same policies during his own tenure.

You know what.....I AGREE!

I agree 100% and that's why I'm NOT an Obama defender.


However, the GOP has made his job almost unbearable and instead of wanting what's best for America they have pushed to politics of partisanship to a level which has not been seen before.

And even if Obama hasn't done what we hoped he would, that doesn't excuse their behavior these last 4 years!

[shrewsbury]

GOP made his job unbearable, maybe that goes the other way

where are the jobs?????

and come january 1st we are all screwed (unless you are unemployed or on entitlements or obama)

i told my wife before obama was elected he will either be the best president ever or the worse, no in between for him. i was hoping, for his sake (and mine) he would be the greatest, but he hasn't

he needs to pull that ace out of his pocket he has been hiding and get some jobs created

if he backed off on his tax increase and really did something about job growth, he should be re elected and would perhaps have my vote. but right now, he sucks

[JustAlex]

GOP made his job unbearable, maybe that goes the other way

LOL...what does that even mean???

The GOP has control of the House and they filibuster EVERYTHING in the Senate.

Please explain how it's "the other way".

where are the jobs?????

Yeah Good question....where are the jobs GOP?!?!?

The GOP were elected in mass numbers on 2010 (And control the House) and still NO JOBS!!!

and come january 1st we are all screwed (unless you are unemployed or on entitlements or obama)

Yeah....we all know Obama CREATED unemployment and a other entitlements.

We all know Obama is 100% to blame for everything...

i told my wife before obama was elected he will either be the best president ever or the worse, no in between for him. i was hoping, for his sake (and mine) he would be the greatest, but he hasn't

Well, I'll make a "Bold" prediction right NOW...

Mitt (The Dog Abuser) Romney will be the WORST president ever or at least in the bottom 5, NO IN BETWEEN FOR HIM...


Mitt (The Mexican) Romney has no real plans to make the U.S any better.


BTW, have you seen his birth certificate?

Because I HAVEN'T and there's NO WAY I'm letting a Mexican-Mormon-Dog abusing-Polygamist enter the our sacred white house.

[TheTGB]

When you are dealing with an enemy who has no defined borders, no real government, and take the strategy of a type of guerilla warfare...what are you supposed to do?

I supported Bush on Afghanistan, but not going to war with Iraq. However, Obama is not going to war with these other countries. He does not want war with Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, etc. The only other option to get the objective done is to kill the targets one at at time, without much regard to where they are located. These countries are also most likely agreeing to these strikes behind the scenes.

As far as US citizens go, if they have turned their back on the US in order to aid the enemy, it's called treason. I understand the Constitution and fair trial to citizens to determine said treasonous acts (which they would either be put to death or in prison for life anyway, still using up more taxpayers money). Military and American civilian lives are being saved by the use of drones on their targets, citizens or not. Would you rather put a ton of people at risk over one person or get the job done just as effectively by using drone aircraft?

Yes, he is "breaking" the Constitution, however, it is for the good of the country. If you were put in that position, what would you do to get the job done? Send troops/agents into these countries and take them out black ops style? Send in the tanks and helicopters? Let them sit in a "safe haven" they know the US will not declare war with and plan out more attacks on the US and allies?

The kill list is deeply researched and signed off on by Obama after finding the best time to complete the objective with as little collateral damage as humanly possible, which has been quite low after Obama has scolded the agency for accidentally taking out non-threats in other countries.

The NYT article on the whole program is quite intriguing.

[duwal]

GOP made his job unbearable, maybe that goes the other way

where are the jobs?????

and come january 1st we are all screwed (unless you are unemployed or on entitlements or obama)

i told my wife before obama was elected he will either be the best president ever or the worse, no in between for him. i was hoping, for his sake (and mine) he would be the greatest, but he hasn't

he needs to pull that ace out of his pocket he has been hiding and get some jobs created

if he backed off on his tax increase and really did something about job growth, he should be re elected and would perhaps have my vote. but right now, he sucks

jobs are out there, people either don't want them, are above them or didn't do what it took during college to get the right requirements for it. Open up a newspaper and there are pages of job opportunities in every semi-major city. People nowadays would rather just collect unemployment than go out and work two jobs to make a living

[shrewsbury]

only 29000 jobs created last month, you need an average of 75000 just to keep up with the new work force coming in, so though there are jobs, there are not enough of them, in fact that puts us at a negative 46000 jobs last month, not a good thing

though i agree many just don't want to work

[tpeichel]

I understand that. It just doesn't sound right to me. If, as a country, you decide that all your citizens deserve a certain level of protection under the law wouldn't you want to offer that same level of protection to everyone?

It depends what you are talking about. If you visit our country you get plenty of the same rights and protections as citizens.

[tpeichel]

When you are dealing with an enemy who has no defined borders, no real government, and take the strategy of a type of guerilla warfare...what are you supposed to do?

I supported Bush on Afghanistan, but not going to war with Iraq. However, Obama is not going to war with these other countries. He does not want war with Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, etc. The only other option to get the objective done is to kill the targets one at at time, without much regard to where they are located. These countries are also most likely agreeing to these strikes behind the scenes.

As far as US citizens go, if they have turned their back on the US in order to aid the enemy, it's called treason. I understand the Constitution and fair trial to citizens to determine said treasonous acts (which they would either be put to death or in prison for life anyway, still using up more taxpayers money). Military and American civilian lives are being saved by the use of drones on their targets, citizens or not. Would you rather put a ton of people at risk over one person or get the job done just as effectively by using drone aircraft?

Yes, he is "breaking" the Constitution, however, it is for the good of the country. If you were put in that position, what would you do to get the job done? Send troops/agents into these countries and take them out black ops style? Send in the tanks and helicopters? Let them sit in a "safe haven" they know the US will not declare war with and plan out more attacks on the US and allies?

The kill list is deeply researched and signed off on by Obama after finding the best time to complete the objective with as little collateral damage as humanly possible, which has been quite low after Obama has scolded the agency for accidentally taking out non-threats in other countries.

The NYT article on the whole program is quite intriguing.

A very reasonable argument.

The problem I see is that the government has taken on a "laws are for the little people" attitude. (Note how many people in government don't pay their taxes, the President's belief that no laws were broken by the banksters or regulators during the housing boom and collapse, etc) They frequently circumvent the Constitution and do as they please.

When you say:
Yes, he is "breaking" the Constitution, however, it is for the good of the country. If you were put in that position, what would you do to get the job done?

Since 2001 we've seen our freedoms and liberties encroached upon little by little with very little push back by the American people. (Been fondled by the TSA lately and who knows who's if anything we do or say is safe from government spying). At every point along the way we're told it's for our own protection. I mean is it really so dangerous in the U.S. that we need drones patrolling our skies? How long before we need "protection" and the government decides to arm the drones?

At some point we need to say enough is enough and to me that time has past.