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07-09-2012, 12:11 AM #21
[QUOTE=shrewsbury;11826173]drtom, life is not evidence? I will explain god once anyone can explain where all this came from. it is nice to have the option to say I do not need to disprove you, you just need to prove it to me.
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Well, my bias is science. It works. In the scientific method, if a person makes a claim, they need to prove it. It is how I view the natural world. As for anything outside of the natural world, by definition in science, it is not real.
I forgot to mention something. Life only proves the universe. With the way the rules are set up in the universe, life is most likely a result of the randomness with constrained rules. All life proves is the universe is a great place to live.Last edited by drtom2005; 07-10-2012 at 01:49 AM.
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07-09-2012, 12:18 AM #22
drtom, explain to me why human evolution is a hypothesis and not a fact. if it is a fact why is their not total agreement on simple things(and must haves) such as the evolution of quadruped to bipedal?
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07-09-2012, 12:33 AM #23
Well, is not a hypotheisis. Is a theory(this is equivalent to fact in common language). There is much evidence for the theory. I suggest you watch Becoming Human mini-series from PBS. I just watched it today.
The short synapses of human evolution is as follows(this is what we know now).
Our ancestors in Africa came out of trees during a significant climate change 3 million years ago. So far about 4 species of homininds from our line have been found. They probably walked upright because bipedal locomotion requires less energy than the quadruped locomotion that other primates do(less energy means less food required to survive).
There is a about 2 million years until the next jump, Homo erectus. There brians where slightly bigger and they were less hairy. The also ran long distances better then homonids before. These changes likely made humans better hunters. Unlike lions or other predators, they could run longer because of these changes. They would tire out prey items.
The last jump was during a severe climate swing. Our ancestors moved to the coast and had to start hunting and gathering different food items.
The overriding driver of the changes in humans was climate change. Each time there was dramatic change humans became more generalists and smarter.
It made a little less concerned about the next event. Unless something dramatic happens, humans will likely be around for awhile. We are extreme generalist, able to adapt to many environments.Last edited by drtom2005; 07-09-2012 at 01:11 AM.
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07-09-2012, 12:48 AM #24
Our ancestors in Africa came out of trees during a significant climate change 3 million years ago. So far about 4 species of homininds from our line have been found. They probably walked upright because bipedal locomotion requires less energy than the quadruped locomotion that other primates do(less energy means less food required to survive).
this sounds great but is not even close to a fact in any language, the so called fact stated above is one of many great sounding facts that differ greatly, from grassland to the sea shores. though these are all well thought out, there is no evidence that all agree means the same thing.
there are so many factors and hard evidence that change and redate the evolution of humans, that is is far from fact.
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07-09-2012, 12:55 AM #25
Such as? I'm always open to looking into new evidence I haven't read.
As for the language of science, theory is fact in common language. I am not going to argue that point.Last edited by drtom2005; 07-09-2012 at 01:01 AM.
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07-10-2012, 01:35 PM #26
While my discussions or god or no god revolve around the major religions that are popular today, I don't believe any, even ones outside of the main ones, to be true. There have been so many religions from the accepted ones of today to the ones of native americans or even greek or egyptian mythology. I just have no belief in the super natural and that is where the basis of my atheistic opinions root. A lot of my distaste for religion has to do with the people and leaders of current religions wanting to mold their peers into their specific religious ideals. However, that does not cause me to be an atheist. I'd feel the same even if there wasn't a pressure by some to create the United States under the rules and ideals of christianity.
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07-10-2012, 02:04 PM #27
to the discussion about evolution... even if evolution was proven or disproven, that would have zero bearing on if there was a god or not. It would have an effect on some religious creationist theories, but a god and evolution could/can co-exist in my opinion.
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07-10-2012, 03:01 PM #28
drtom, the easiest place to start is with the savannah vs aquatic hypothesis
one new event would be the hobbits of flores
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07-11-2012, 02:25 PM #29
The hobbits of flores are a minature of homo erectus. This happens when animals go to islands. The dinosaurs did this also.
What specifically is the question about the savannah versus the aquatic hypothesis? I'm not sure if I have read up on those or if they have a different name then the on you are talking about.
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07-11-2012, 02:32 PM #30
just wanted to let you all know God is capitalized. and yes i agree shrushbury, everyone came from one source, and that source is God, wether or not people reading this thread believe their is a one and only God, I believe their is, because the true creator of this earth is also the ruler of this earth, he brought all of us here, he put this into your mind whoever started this. I also like seeing threads like these where we can be open about our faith and religion and talk openly, thanks man
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