Obama's Rhetoric

[shrewsbury]

taxman, that is a huge issue, there is no relief for the middle class, sure we can still get by, but we qualify for little to no tax breaks, except education, and we receive no benefits.

I believe the points Obama was trying to make was that without the structure being in place no one could use it, but instead he insulted many hard working americans and at best left a very unclear message.

Romney's response got him one up in my book, but that doesn't mean much at this point.

[JustAlex]

FAUX NEWS.....EPIC PROPAGANDA, AT IT'S BEST!!!





Shameful, disgraceful, NAZI-STYLE Propaganda such as this should NOT be tolerated.

The truth is I don't even like Obama that much, but I utterly DESPISE the republican party!

[AUTaxMan]

taxman, that is a huge issue, there is no relief for the middle class, sure we can still get by, but we qualify for little to no tax breaks, except education, and we receive no benefits.

I believe the points Obama was trying to make was that without the structure being in place no one could use it, but instead he insulted many hard working americans and at best left a very unclear message.

Romney's response got him one up in my book, but that doesn't mean much at this point.

Of course no man is an island, but we all know that. You don't give speeches about that. The only point of the speech was to imply that we cannot be successful without paying more to the government so that it can take care of us. It was a collectivist message.

[Wickabee]

The point was tax money (theoretically) goes to help everyone, even the privileged, no matter how much the top 1% would have everyone believe otherwise. Every time I hear people complaining about taxes, it's "I'm sick of paying for welfare!" it's never "I'm sick of paying for roads, infrastructure, police, etc".

Anyone who is against paying taxes is against having a police force, roads and sidewalks and fire protection. Without these things, there would be no way to get to your business, no police and firemen to protect your business, the list goes on. But no, the wealthiest of the wealthy believe they got that way completely on their own and totally disregard what help they have garnered from the government in the form of infrastructure. Instead, they prattle on about how taxes do nothing. The wealthiest people want the poorest to pay for the nation's infrastructure. That simply isn't right.

[JustAlex]

The point was tax money (theoretically) goes to help everyone, even the privileged, no matter how much the top 1% would have everyone believe otherwise. Every time I hear people complaining about taxes, it's "I'm sick of paying for welfare!" it's never "I'm sick of paying for roads, infrastructure, police, etc".

Anyone who is against paying taxes is against having a police force, roads and sidewalks and fire protection. Without these things, there would be no way to get to your business, no police and firemen to protect your business, the list goes on. But no, the wealthiest of the wealthy believe they got that way completely on their own and totally disregard what help they have garnered from the government in the form of infrastructure. Instead, they prattle on about how taxes do nothing. The wealthiest people want the poorest to pay for the nation's infrastructure. That simply isn't right.

I can definitely agree with you on this point.....and I believe that Obama was making the same point you're making.

But of course, the GOP and conservatives didn't see it that way, just check out how Faux News ran with this Obama speech and made incredible edits to make it seem like our President is saying ridiculous things.

[AUTaxMan]

The wealthiest people want the poorest to pay for the nation's infrastructure. That simply isn't right.

That is nonsense. They already pay most of the nation's taxes and thus for most of its infrastructure. Obama wants them to pay even more. The argument isn't about whether we need tax revenue to pay for infrastructure. Everyone acknowledges the need for infrastructure and basic public services. The argument is about raising taxes while expanding entitlement programs. We should be slashing entitlements and reforming them, not raising taxes to pay for a small portion of the increase and printing/borrowing the money to pay for the rest. Obama's goal is to get as many people dependent on government as possible so that we gradually move toward a European-style socialist state, because he fundamentally believes that more government is the answer to all of our nation's problems. This is a very un-American ideal, and that is why he gets so much resistance from the right.

[Wickabee]

That is nonsense. They already pay most of the nation's taxes and thus for most of its infrastructure. Obama wants them to pay even more. The argument isn't about whether we need tax revenue to pay for infrastructure. Everyone acknowledges the need for infrastructure and basic public services. The argument is about raising taxes while expanding entitlement programs. We should be slashing entitlements and reforming them, not raising taxes to pay for a small portion of the increase and printing/borrowing the money to pay for the rest. Obama's goal is to get as many people dependent on government as possible so that we gradually move toward a European-style socialist state, because he fundamentally believes that more government is the answer to all of our nation's problems. This is a very un-American ideal, and that is why he gets so much resistance from the right.

If you want to slash something, start with the bloated salaries of your politicians themselves. Maybe a perform-to-pay type deal.

[AUTaxMan]

If you want to slash something, start with the bloated salaries of your politicians themselves. Maybe a perform-to-pay type deal.

Although I am no fan of Congress, that would not accomplish anything.

[Wickabee]

Although I am no fan of Congress, that would not accomplish anything.

Of course it wouldn't

[INTIMADATOR2007]

Folks, we used to live in a country where people wanted to be successful. People wanted to be millionaires. Today, we live in a country where people want to receive a government check, and wanting to be a millionaire is said to be greedy and selfish. Well, what is more greedy and selfish than living off of other people?-Rush Limbaugh