Atheists!

[jessejordan419]

well, i'm an atheist and don't worship anything. i'm not saying there is anything wrong with theism. i just think it's a little silly to worship something that was created and actually named by a human(s). that's all.

edit: ps. i was just being a jerk with that post you quoted

ABBA Father/Elohim is His name. Yeshua Hamaschia is His Son sent here to die as a sacrifice for those who believed in Him. These things weren't created by humans. Dozens of Prophets over hundreds and even thousands of years were filled with the Holy Spirit to reveal the Father/Son/Holy Spirit to man. Prophecies over hundreds and even thousands of years came to be fullfilled in Yeshua Hamaschia, Jesus the Christ.

Things the Old Prophets and Jesus foretold are coming to pass in our lifetime.

-the Rebirth of Israel
-the language of Hebrew being spoken again
-earthquakes and famines in diverse places
(earthquakes over the last century are increasing greatly in number and magnitude)

-the arab alliance that will be led by the Kings of the North(Russia) against Jerusalem
(look to the coming war with Syria as evidence of that prophecy about to come to pass. Russian naval fleets are there, as are many land forces. Egypt just fell to mooslims, libya as well, turkey quit being a secular nation a few years ago, and are now led by mooslims. Jordan is actually land promised to Israel.)

-the Kings of the East will lead 200,000,000 men against Jerusalem after 5/6 of the arab/northern army are defeated by God
(think China and their vast army which is quickly being built up. they are also partnered with iran, which is against Jerusalem)

-Damascus will become a smoldering heap
(Damascus is the oldest continual living city, and this has not happened yet. look at the coming war in Syria, it will be fullfilled soon)

-Jerusalem will become a Trembling Cup, of which the nations of the world will drink
(every president since....Nixon? or earlier has forced Israel to make concessions to terrorists. the U.N. and E.U. have tried to tell Israel what to do for decades)

The list goes on. Do you need more?

[mrveggieman]

Read Genesis again. It is a perfect explanation for how our world was created. Yes, they couldn't explain in detail with the technology we have today, but Science only shows us HOW God did what he did.

Genesis is actually one of my favorite books in the bible. However whenever I quote something that goes against what is comfortable for most christians, they respond back and say they ignore that part of the bible because it is null and void.

[shrewsbury]

null and void or not as important as Jesus?

[Wickabee]

Science is man's explanation of the things God created. evolution is a theory, not law. Gravity is a law, explaining the force that holds the universe together. The Big Bang, as Science calls it, is how God created the universe. It is against Scientific law that SOMETHING could be created out of NOTHING. Only ABBA Father can do this. Science is only man trying to figure it out.

Are you going to honestly tell me that we are just here because of randomness? How is this Earth so perfect that it heals itself? How is our body so perfect that it heals itself? What are the probabilites that this Earth would be the perfect environment for us? God gave us the stars for the view. He gave us everything for our enjoyment.

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I don't know what post you read, but it sure wasn't mine. I said science is man's way of trying to explain God. Everything we currently know about God through science; evolution, gravity, big bang, tell us how he's done things, like bring us to being (evolution), and hold the universe together (gravity) after creating it (the big bang theory). Each new thing science teaches us brings us one step closer to being able to understand what God is and why he would do all this. We're still stuck on the "how" and that's fine. I imagine (and no, I don't think the earth is 6000 years old) that in the grand scheme of things, we haven't had tons of time to figure it out, plus a lot of the time we have had, we've wasted.

Too many people see it as Science vs God. That's not true at all. Science is God's gift of understanding to mankind.

We only get sick and die because of sin. Scientists have found that our bodies were designed to last forever, and can't figure out why we age and die. I can tell you why, because sin seperated us from God, and therefore, our body must perish. But if you have faith in Jesus Christ, you will receive a new body when he changes this world. The Earth will never be destroyed, it will only be changed, like in the days of Noah. Jesus will remove sin when he defeats the Anti-Christ and his prophet, and binds Satan/Lucifer in the abyss for 1,000 years. After that, satan will be defeated, and we will live with Christ forever and ever.

That's the story, yes. Not sure how it's relevant here...

[habsheaven]

Just when I am starting to feel a sense of understanding of Jay's beliefs along comes this. Talk about taking a step backwards in your level of understanding. I gotta stop venturing down to the deep side of the pool, it's bloody scary.

[jessejordan419]

Obviously I'm not an atheist but I can understand and respect why someone would become an atheist. Look at all of these right wing loons who do dumb things claiming to do it in God's names. Terrorist who murder innocent people. White supremicists who kill jews and minorities. Extremist christians who hate gays and minorities. And you wonder why God dosen't want to get involved anymore.

What about the Reverand Martin Luther King Jr.? He was one of the biggest womanizers ever. Would you disregard everything he said and stood for because of the way he treated women? Or his own wife for that matter? He was a Reverand, but did not act like one. Should that mean we should discount everything he stood up for because of the actions of a sinner? Would you ignore all his great speeches because he did not act as a Christian should?

And look at the "Reverand" al sharpton or jesse jackson. They are some of the most racist vile pieces of dung ever!! And they call themselves "Reverands". jesse jackson had an out of wedlock child, and was bill clinton's "spiritual advisor". No wonder. They were both extreme womanizers. Those are bigotry and sexist actions against women. And they do not follow Dr. King either. They judge by the content of the skin, not the character of the heart.

al sharpton and jesse jackson don't tell blacks to stop attacking whites in mobs. Why is that? They are judging by the content of the skin, not the character of the heart. And what about rap music? It promotes a "thug" lifestyle, full of drug addiction, money worship, and treating women like pieces of meat or far worse. Where is the outcry of that? Why do these 2 refuse to speak out about this? Yes they give Christianity a bad name, but should that mean we ignore God and Christ because of it?

Why don't black preachers tell black men to own up to their responsibilities? Why do some black men have 10 kids with 8 women, and pay for no child support? Why do their "Reverands" not speak out about this?

Jesus said if a man does not work, he shall not eat. The Old Testament care for orphans, widows, and the poor was for farmers to only harvest the central areas of their crops. These people would then come and pick for themselves the corners and edges of the fields, and prepare their food themselves. Not sit around the house waiting for a check to buy lotto tickets, alcohol, and whatever else they want.

Allen West is right. They perpetuate a "new plantation" for the democrats, to keep blacks down, ignorant, hateful, racist, and continually voting for democrats as "their saviours". If that's not the most horrible form of racism in America today, I don't know what is.

The democrat party is the most racist organazation, outside the New Black Panthers and the KKK.

[jessejordan419]

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I don't know what post you read, but it sure wasn't mine. I said science is man's way of trying to explain God. Everything we currently know about God through science; evolution, gravity, big bang, tell us how he's done things, like bring us to being (evolution), and hold the universe together (gravity) after creating it (the big bang theory). Each new thing science teaches us brings us one step closer to being able to understand what God is and why he would do all this. We're still stuck on the "how" and that's fine. I imagine (and no, I don't think the earth is 6000 years old) that in the grand scheme of things, we haven't had tons of time to figure it out, plus a lot of the time we have had, we've wasted.

Too many people see it as Science vs God. That's not true at all. Science is God's gift of understanding to mankind.



That's the story, yes. Not sure how it's relevant here...

Sorry, I may have made assumptions because of your previous comment. I may have quoted it earlier in my reply. I'll try to find it and add to this post.


Edit: Wow! I did make an assumption, and didn't even read your post fully, even though I quoted it. I think we're on the same page, but I for some reason thought otherwise. My apologies sir. I'm in a hurry, and must have misinterpreted your post.

[mrveggieman]

null and void or not as important as Jesus?

Everything is important. Jesus even said something to the effect of how are you going to listen to me if you don't listen to the words of moses which is what he goes by. It just makes no sense if you ask me.

[mrveggieman]

What about the Reverand Martin Luther King Jr.? He was one of the biggest womanizers ever. Would you disregard everything he said and stood for because of the way he treated women? And look at the "Reverand" al sharpton or jesse jackson. They are some of the most racist vile pieces of dung ever!! And they call themselves "Reverands". jesse jackson had an out of wedlock child, and was bill clinton's "spiritual advisor". No wonder. They were both extreme womanizers. Those are bigotry and sexist actions against women.

al sharpton and jesse jackson don't tell blacks to stop attacking whites in mobs. Why is that? And what about rap music? It promotes a "thug" lifestyle, full of drug addiction, money worship, and treating women like pieces of meat or far worse. Where is the outcry of that?

Why don't black preachers tell black men to own up to their responsibilities? Why do some black men have 10 kids with 8 women, and pay for no child support? Why do working people have to pay for this? Jesus said if a man does not work, he shall not eat. The Old Testament care for orphans, widows, and the like was for farmers to only harvest the central areas of their crops. These people would then come and pick for themselves the corners and edges of the fields, and prepare their food themselves. Not sit around the house waiting for a check to buy lotto tickets, alcohol, and whatever else they want.

Where is the outcry from black preachers on this? Especially al sharpton and jesse jackson. Allen West is right. They perpetuate a "new plantation" for the democrats, to keep blacks down, ignorant, hateful, racist, and continually voting for democrats as "their saviours". If that's not the most horrible form of racism in America today, I don't know what is.

The democrat party is the most racist organazation, outside the New Black Panthers and the KKK.

Somebody stop serving this man the kool aid!!

[Wickabee]

Sorry, I may have made assumptions because of your previous comment. I may have quoted it earlier in my reply. I'll try to find it and add to this post.


Edit: Wow! I did make an assumption, and didn't even read your post fully, even though I quoted it. I think we're on the same page, but I for some reason thought otherwise. My apologies sir. I'm in a hurry, and must have misinterpreted your post.

I'm pretty sure you took a slight offense to "God and religion have very little to do with each other" and figured I was an atheist. I'm not, I believe in a god, I'm just not pretentious enough to think I can even begin to imagine who or what he is. Unfortunately, for every person like me, there's a million who will tell you they do know. Funny thing about that, none of them seem to agree.
My point in that statement was something you touched on either in this thread or elsewhere. Do not judge god's existence based on religion. Man has done some horrible, awful things under the guise of god. Saying "Jesus" after hitting your thumb with the hammer isn't taking the lord's name in vain. What religions have done and continue to do is taking the lord's name in vain. God is amazing. Religions are terrible.

At the same time, I would never judge a person for being a member of any religion, nor would I want to take away their right to do so. Religious freedom is as important to me as freedom of thought, speech and expression, because it is made up of all of those. Myself though, I could never be a member of a particular religion.