Hand guns

[shrewsbury]

wickabee, I know. but it shows that ignorance goes beyond our borders

[Wickabee]

It does, but the way Canadians are "polite" to everyone Americans are, well I won't say it outright.

Again, that's not something I believe, but it is an idea that exists globally. You're also fat, self-centered and self-righteous to the rest of the world. And again, that's not my belief.

[shrewsbury]

here is another reason we won't give up our guns



and another



and here is why we should have some better regulations



and another idiot

[mrveggieman]

If I could add my two cents here is another perfect reason why citizens should be able to arm and defend themselves. Parker vs the Disctrict of Columbia. I had to write about this case in college. It is several years old but it is a perfect example. What happened was some armed thugs broke in those womans house, robbed and raped her. She lived in dc and it was illegal for her to own gun even though that law violated the 2nd amendment. (even though dc is the capital of the US they always seem to make up their own rules) Anyway she called the dc police and they never showed up. The court ruled that if you call the police and they never show up then too bad. So basically if you live in dc and you need police protection they have no legal obligation to protect you and you have no legal right to protect yourself? Wow. That is exactly why I left dc and moved to georgia.

http://www.cato.org/pubs/legalbriefs/gunsuit.pdf

http://www.cga.ct.gov/2007/rpt/2007-R-0557.htm

http://www.gurapossessky.com/news/parker/overview.html

[duane1969]

This has got to be the most uninformed post of the week.

You are entitled to your opinion but what I know is this. If 1 million armed infantry from another country were to launch a land-based invasion of our country then it would be the armed citizens that prevent an overrun of our country.

- Our own military is less than 1.5 million people and are spread all over the globe, so getting them home and organzied would take days if not weeks. During that time an uninhibited infantry could take over entire states and even regions of the country.
- By the same measure, foreign support would take several days to mobilize and get here. Waiting on Britian or Germany to send support would result in thousands of miles of lost territory.

A land-based invasion would be stalled by the citizens of this country picking up their shotguns, rifles, sporting rifles and handguns and defending our land. Along with geographical issues, anyone wishing to invade our country knows that there is a 50 million strong citizen army that will load up and shoot back and they have to take that into account.

If I could add my two cents here is another perfect reason why citizens should be able to arm and defend themselves. Parker vs the Disctrict of Columbia. I had to write about this case in college. It is several years old but it is a perfect example. What happened was some armed thugs broke in those womans house, robbed and raped her. She lived in dc and it was illegal for her to own gun even though that law violated the 2nd amendment. (even though dc is the capital of the US they always seem to make up their own rules) Anyway she called the dc police and they never showed up. The court ruled that if you call the police and they never show up then too bad. So basically if you live in dc and you need police protection they have no legal obligation to protect you and you have no legal right to protect yourself? Wow. That is exactly why I left dc and moved to georgia.

http://www.cato.org/pubs/legalbriefs/gunsuit.pdf

http://www.cga.ct.gov/2007/rpt/2007-R-0557.htm

http://www.gurapossessky.com/news/parker/overview.html

That is appalling.

[Rockman]

You are entitled to your opinion but what I know is this. If 1 million armed infantry from another country were to launch a land-based invasion of our country then it would be the armed citizens that prevent an overrun of our country.

- Our own military is less than 1.5 million people and are spread all over the globe, so getting them home and organzied would take days if not weeks. During that time an uninhibited infantry could take over entire states and even regions of the country.
- By the same measure, foreign support would take several days to mobilize and get here. Waiting on Britian or Germany to send support would result in thousands of miles of lost territory.

A land-based invasion would be stalled by the citizens of this country picking up their shotguns, rifles, sporting rifles and handguns and defending our land. Along with geographical issues, anyone wishing to invade our country knows that there is a 50 million strong citizen army that will load up and shoot back and they have to take that into account.



That is appalling.

If a 1 million man army from another country launched a land based attack it would be;

A) Extremely localized and there surprise wouldn't get them very far.
B) A sign our government left us out to dry.

There is no way in the 21st century with our heightened fear of attack that a one million man army could attack us and we would have no idea it was coming. We would know. It's an absolutely absurd hypothetical.

[duane1969]

If a 1 million man army from another country launched a land based attack it would be;

A) Extremely localized and there surprise wouldn't get them very far.
B) A sign our government left us out to dry.

There is no way in the 21st century with our heightened fear of attack that a one million man army could attack us and we would have no idea it was coming. We would know. It's an absolutely absurd hypothetical.

Doesn't change the fact that if it happened that it would be the armed citizens that were the first line of defense.

And as absurd as you might think it is, Pearl Harbor was absurd, 9/11 was absurd...so much for that. You can do what you want, I choose to be the ant and not the grasshopper.

[habsheaven]

Duane, maybe I am confusing you with someone else on here. I thought you knew more about the intricacies of war than most of us. Any invasion would not begin with just ground troops. It would have air and sea support. Citizens would be heavily outgunned by the ground forces as well. They would be disorganized and spread out. Were not talking about "Red Dawn" here. One Canadian division of infantry, or one squadron of fighter jets (as bad as ours are) would provide far more support than the armed citizens of all your northern states combined. But of course that is just my opinion, as silly as it sounds.

[duane1969]

Duane, maybe I am confusing you with someone else on here. I thought you knew more about the intricacies of war than most of us. Any invasion would not begin with just ground troops. It would have air and sea support. Citizens would be heavily outgunned by the ground forces as well. They would be disorganized and spread out. Were not talking about "Red Dawn" here. One Canadian division of infantry, or one squadron of fighter jets (as bad as ours are) would provide far more support than the armed citizens of all your northern states combined. But of course that is just my opinion, as silly as it sounds.

No, you are correct, but it is ignorant to think that our smattering of troops that are scattered in Iraq, Afghanistan, Northern Africa could be brought home quickly. The airstrikes would be done and their troops on the ground before our troops had even packed to head home.

Furthermore, any air strikes launched by a foreign enemy would target military installations and bases which would just further decimate their ability to retaliate.

I get it. The liberal ideal is to accept that the government will do everything to protect you while you do nothing to protect yourself. I am not a liberal. I do not buy into the concept that I should forfeit all of my rights and ignore my responsibility to my family to be prepared because the government will always protect me and do what is best for me. If you choose to take that approach, so be it, but do not presume that because there is plenty of sand around you that I will bury my head beside of yours.

"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance."
President Thomas Jefferson

[Wickabee]

No, you are correct, but it is ignorant to think that our smattering of troops that are scattered in Iraq, Afghanistan, Northern Africa could be brought home quickly. The airstrikes would be done and their troops on the ground before our troops had even packed to head home.

Furthermore, any air strikes launched by a foreign enemy would target military installations and bases which would just further decimate their ability to retaliate.

I get it. The liberal ideal is to accept that the government will do everything to protect you while you do nothing to protect yourself. I am not a liberal. I do not buy into the concept that I should forfeit all of my rights and ignore my responsibility to my family to be prepared because the government will always protect me and do what is best for me. If you choose to take that approach, so be it, but do not presume that because there is plenty of sand around you that I will bury my head beside of yours.

I am a liberal and that is absolute bunk