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    Off subject or not? when people say America is arrogant I really do not think of all the things America does for other countries. Who can say they sacrifice their young men and women for the simple being able to exist. Those who are first to say America is arrogant are the likely to ask for help. The only fault I see in America is that it has to much Heart and Compassion. I do admit, That I do see arrogance in the present President.

    Thinking our country can be arrogant and asking for help from it don't correlate in any way. I don't ask for help from the public but I still think we as a whole can be very arrogant.

    And I'm not trying to say that America doesn't have heart or do anything good for others. But the fact of the matter is that quite often when we "help" other countries we are often really helping ourselves and protecting our own interests.

    Maybe not being able to see any fault in this country is why we are so arrogant. Nobody's perfect.

    Also just curious why you think Obama is arrogant? And did you feel the same way about George W. Bush?

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    I think that is perception more than it is reality.

    I guess you could say it's how I perceive things. But I think this perception is backed up by real observation. Maybe I can't scientifically prove it but looking at it through an unbiased lens that is how I see it.

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    I guess you could say it's how I perceive things. But I think this perception is backed up by real observation. Maybe I can't scientifically prove it but looking at it through an unbiased lens that is how I see it.

    I'm pretty sure this is why we'll always be "wrong" in this instance. The fact that most non-Americans would agree that America (the nation, not the individuals within it) is arrogant means nothing to him. Unless you can provide a scientific study and research of every possible resource possible, you'll never convince him.

    That isn't an insult or an attack. It is an observation.

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    The bolded part is why people say America is arrogant. You seem to think EVERYONE on earth is just chomping at the bit for "help" from America. The reality is 99% of the planet doesn't want your help but has it forced on them anyway.

    Wickabee, I am going to really have to disagree with this one. I wish our government would withdraw all of our help and bases around the world and watch what happens.

    When the U.S. tried to get out of Europe after WWI, WWII happened. When other disasters or autoricites happen around the world, the U.S. is asked first to help. Maybe some of the neighboring countries should help.

    I find it interesting that another World War has not happened since the U.S. has been getting involved in world affairs ( By the way, it is bankrupting this country).

    I think Canada needs to take over for awhile. :)))

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    Wickabee, I am going to really have to disagree with this one. I wish our government would withdraw all of our help and bases around the world and watch what happens.

    So what? Like I said, I'm talking about the nation, not the people within it (ie: you)

    When the U.S. tried to get out of Europe after WWI, WWII happened. When other disasters or autoricites happen around the world, the U.S. is asked first to help. Maybe some of the neighboring countries should help.

    Because your nation has "helped" others to the point of making them dependent on you. Also, just because you give help doesn't necessarily mean it was actually asked for.

    I find it interesting that another World War has not happened since the U.S. has been getting involved in world affairs ( By the way, it is bankrupting this country).

    That's not arrogant at all...

    I think Canada needs to take over for awhile. :)))

    We clean everything up after you guys unleash your brand of "help"

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    I don't understand why people can't take an objective look at America's past actions. Arrogance for America isn't anything new, heck manifest destiny was/is one of the most arrogant things ever and that was hundreds of years ago.

    No one can really make a sound argument that we aren't the most arrogant country...except for maybe North Korea.

    On second thought North Korea definitely has us beat.

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    So what? Like I said, I'm talking about the nation, not the people within it (ie: you)

    Fair enough.

    Because your nation has "helped" others to the point of making them dependent on you. Also, just because you give help doesn't necessarily mean it was actually asked for.
    Not saying everything that the U.S. has done is right, just that is causes more stabilization in the world. Having the number one military makes people ask for help.

    That's not arrogant at all...

    Truth versus arrogance can be confused. The U.S has 737 miltitary insallations around the world. Now, if people do not want us around I would be fine with it. Although, when we leave every thing goes wrong most of the time (Ex: Afganstan in th 80s). If the U.S was to leave all these countries, we likely have trouble in Europe and Korea to start with. After that I could not predict the future.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...military_bases
    http://www.alternet.org/story/47998/...global_empire/

    We clean everything up after you guys unleash your brand of "help"
    Such as? I also wanted Canada to take over all of our overseas military bases, as a thought experiment. I'm sure Canadians would love this. Wouldn't they?

    As a species, we are in our most peaceful time in history right now. It might not be just the U.S., but something has changed.

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    I guess you could say it's how I perceive things. But I think this perception is backed up by real observation. Maybe I can't scientifically prove it but looking at it through an unbiased lens that is how I see it.

    Fair enough.

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    1 - Ok
    2 - It also causes you to "help" in places like Iraq, where it wasn't asked for and served no real honourable purpose.
    3 - Truth and bragging can also be confused. You can be right and arrogant at the same time. You also cause as much trouble as you help.
    4 - Canada wouldn't do it because we never would have set them up in the first place. We clean up a lot of messes, not just yours. We may be at our most peaceful point, but that doesn't mean we're anywhere near something good.

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    1 - Ok
    2 - It also causes you to "help" in places like Iraq, where it wasn't asked for and served no real honourable purpose.
    3 - Truth and bragging can also be confused. You can be right and arrogant at the same time. You also cause as much trouble as you help.
    4 - Canada wouldn't do it because we never would have set them up in the first place. We clean up a lot of messes, not just yours. We may be at our most peaceful point, but that doesn't mean we're anywhere near something good.

    2- I didn't support going into Iraq. We are there now and are stuck. I really do not know what to do. I do know when we leave(if it is too early), things will go back to the same thing.
    3-I am not bragging about anything. It is just the way it is. Personally, I think the U.S has helped more, then hurt people, on balance.
    4-Yeah and it could be much worse. I would like other countries to try to do what the U.S. is doing and see if their results would be better. At best, they would equal what is happening. Of course, the U.S. could act like Rome and try to take over the world. Most of our history, we have tried to stay out of things outside of the Western Hemisphere. Other countries bring us into conflicts.
    Last edited by drtom2005; 08-26-2012 at 05:34 PM.

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