The Philosophy thread.

[Wickabee]

alex, that you do or do not want everything done for you wasn't my point (though it was a good natured shot, I suppose).

Though I must ask, who's to say that "experience" isn't actual proof that you yourself simply haven't experienced yet?

[shrewsbury]

Care is a human feeling and word. for us to think we know "the end" all only limits our learning and understanding. who to say that any god should care in the sense of our understanding of the word?

alex, what you bring up is one of the major causes for believing and not believing in a god. this and our ego, which wants us to be eternal, is what drives most in either direction. i personally don't think it is about either, nor do i think i know anything but that.

[JustAlex]

alex, that you do or do not want everything done for you wasn't my point (though it was a good natured shot, I suppose).

Oh....yeah, I thought it was a little weird you asked it that way

Though I must ask, who's to say that "experience" isn't actual proof that you yourself simply haven't experienced yet?

I've been told that before...

My mom has told me that she has heard the voice of god, and how he saved her.

I don't think she's lying, but I also don't think it was god.

Here's the reason:


If you go religion by religion, you will find all kinds of people that will tell you that they have had an "experience", but how can this be so, if they all have different beliefs and different gods?

I've said it before.....it's either ALL or NONE.....and I believe it's NONE.

[JustAlex]

LOL.....I just noticed that my comment is setting me up for a "Contact" type moment when Jodie Foster's character has to explain how she had an "experience" that she could not explain but she knew it was real.

Thus being an atheist, she had to conclude that some things are indeed meant to be taken by faith.

[Wickabee]

I've been told that before...

My mom has told me that she has heard the voice of god, and how he saved her.

I don't think she's lying, but I also don't think it was god.

Here's the reason:


If you go religion by religion, you will find all kinds of people that will tell you that they have had an "experience", but how can this be so, if they all have different beliefs and different gods?

Here's the thing, maybe they're not all worshiping different gods. Judaism, Islam and Christianity all worship the God of Abraham, they all do it differently, though. Same goes for denominations within those religions.

Perhaps, everyone worships the same god, whether they call him this, that or the other thing and regardless of whether they do or do not eat pork or drink coffee or whatever. Perhaps God isn't the God of Abraham, but something else entirely. Perhaps, God sees those who are pure hearted and he touches those. Perhaps that is "the experience"

And perhaps people have been so brainwashed over so many centuries that the inherent first reaction to that experience is to seek religion, or further your current relationship with God through religion, because that's all we've been taught for so long, that religion is the way to God. It's a teaching even you seem to be working under. I agree with every word you have to say about religion, though I do see a few good qualities to it as well. But you and I do not see eye to eye on God at all. As much as religion has made up their minds about what God is, you've made up your mind about what he should be and, since he isn't, you disbelieve.

Just my thoughts, as usual.

I've said it before.....it's either ALL or NONE.....and I believe it's NONE.

This viewpoint will only ever leave you disappointed and jaded. It doesn't matter what subject you're talking about, all or nothing RARELY leads to truth, morality, correctness or anything good.

Sometimes, but RARELY.

[JustAlex]

I can accept god(s), but not religion.

As for my "all or nothing" viewpoint that was only in regards to religion, not every thing in life.

[Wickabee]

I can accept god(s), but not religion.

So you say, but then you have the "All or nothing" thing. I've seen you post that if you're going to accept God you have to accept Thor and Oden and etc etc. but that makes no sense.

For example let's say you don't know who the Prime Minister of Canada is and it can't be proven who is running Canada.
Now, let's say I told you that Stephen Harper is Prime Minister of Canada.
After which Shrew tells you, no no, it's Rick Mercer.
And then dru chimes in saying it's actually Jack Layton
Before Duane comes in and says it's not any of them, it's Bob McKenzie.

Now, the reality is Stephen Harper is PM, Rick Mercer is a comedian/political satirist, Bob McKenzie is a hockey analyst for TSN and Jack Layton is dead.

But, by your "all or nothing" logic, either all of them are PM or there is no PM, simply because 4 PEOPLE cannot agree.

It's the same with religion, because a bunch of theories exist and everyone can't agree on one, then there's either no god or 20,000,000 gods. THAT makes no sense to me.

As for my "all or nothing" viewpoint that was only in regards to religion, not every thing in life.

I kind of thought so.

[drtom2005]

I have thought about this awhile. I do not believe in a pre-life, athough the depending on the definition of afterlife, it could be possible. Of course, it is not what most people believe it to be.

Humans are biochemical machines at the base level and are always giving off electirc wave patterns, which likely affect quantum particles on this level. Possibly, in the future, we could reintegrate the previous brain patterns. My brain waves are likely eternal, not this body.

[JustAlex]

I have thought about this awhile. I do not believe in a pre-life, athough the depending on the definition of afterlife, it could be possible. Of course, it is not what most people believe it be.

Humans are biochemical machine at the base level and are always giving off electirc wave patterns, which likely affect quantum particles on this level. Possibly, in the future, we could reintegrate the previous brain patterns. My brain waves are likely eternal, not this body.

Now, THAT.....would be awesome!

I very much believe we all get one and only one life, and when we die we will simply cease to exist.....that's why I hope that science keeps improving and maybe in the near future there will be some way that humans can live longer, A LOT LONGER!

I like the idea of having your brain waves reintegrated, although this does sound a bit science-fiction.....kinda like clones?

Either way, if I get to live longer, I would definitely be all for it.

[drtom2005]

Now, THAT.....would be awesome!

I very much believe we all get one and only one life, and when we die we will simply cease to exist.....that's why I hope that science keeps improving and maybe in the near future there will be some way that humans can live longer, A LOT LONGER!

I like the idea of having your brain waves reintegrated, although this does sound a bit science-fiction.....kinda like clones?

Either way, if I get to live longer, I would definitely be all for it.

Yeah kind of science fiction-like, but so were cell phones, computers, and robots. Quantum particles are always interacting. We would have to be able get through the interference but it could be possible.