Islam vs Christanity a neutral comparison

[mrveggieman]

Here's a question that I have always asked. Why do christians feel the need to clown islam and muslims for doing essentially the same thing that they do. For example both of them go by holy books that are over 1000 years old. Both of those books condone barbaric things that would be unacceptable by todays standards. Both of them make reference to miracles that are scientifically impossible. Both of them make reference to Jesus. And both of them worship a god that has been seen or heard by no one alive today. This is not a knock on either religion but it makes me laugh that one religion can claim to be superior and the both do the same thing. That's like one murderer saying that he is better than the other one because he murders people quickly compared to the other murderer who likes to tourture his victims.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_are_t...d_Christianity

[ensbergcollector]

Here's a question that I have always asked. Why do christians feel the need to clown islams and muslims for doing essentially the same thing that they do. For example both of them go by holy books that are over 1000 years old. Both of those books condone barbaric things that would be unacceptable by todays standards. Both of them make reference to miracles that are scientifically impossible. Both of them make reference to Jesus. And both of them worship a god that has been seen or heard by no one alive today. This is not a knock on either religion but it makes me laugh that one religion can claim to be superior and the both do the same thing. That's like one murderer saying that he is better than the other one because he murders people quickly compared to the other murderer who likes to tourture his victims.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_are_t...d_Christianity

first of all, i don't think anyone is "clowning" islam. you talk about all the things they have in common and you are correct. However, there are no christian led nations who have laws making it ok to kill non-christians. There are no mobs of christians rioting and murdering anyone who says bad things about jesus. There are things in the christian bible that are violent, yet no nation or group lives by the violent passages of christian scripture. Millions of muslims live by the violent passages of islamic scripture. There are plenty of similarities between the two but there are also extreme differences. If christians today were creating mobs and murdering innocent people over cartoons and documentaries then I would be "clowning" on them as well.

you keep saying "both do the same thing." can you not see that both are not "doing" the same thing?

[Wickabee]

first of all, i don't think anyone is "clowning" islam. you talk about all the things they have in common and you are correct. However, there are no christian led nations who have laws making it ok to kill non-christians. There are no mobs of christians rioting and murdering anyone who says bad things about jesus. There are things in the christian bible that are violent, yet no nation or group lives by the violent passages of christian scripture. Millions of muslims live by the violent passages of islamic scripture. There are plenty of similarities between the two but there are also extreme differences. If christians today were creating mobs and murdering innocent people over cartoons and documentaries then I would be "clowning" on them as well.

you keep saying "both do the same thing." can you not see that both are not "doing" the same thing?

Christians used to do all those things. It seems they've stopped though, as if they've given up that part of their "belief" (none of it was a teaching of Jesus).

Yet they won't give up the fight against marriage because, if something is wrong, then it's always wrong. One has to assume that if something is right, it is always right...right?

So why would a religion that was willing to kill for, say, the Crusades, give up on that belief, but not others...Seems hypocritical to me...

[ensbergcollector]

Christians used to do all those things. It seems they've stopped though, as if they've given up that part of their "belief" (none of it was a teaching of Jesus).

Yet they won't give up the fight against marriage because, if something is wrong, then it's always wrong. One has to assume that if something is right, it is always right...right?

So why would a religion that was willing to kill for, say, the Crusades, give up on that belief, but not others...Seems hypocritical to me...

christians killing during the crusades was wrong and what a large number of muslims are doing today is wrong. You can't excuse what is done today because of what another group did hundreds of years ago.

you are comparing the crusades which was never scriptural but rather people following a christian leader and not the bible, with marriage which is people attempting to follow the bible and not an individual leader.

[Wickabee]

christians killing during the crusades was wrong and what a large number of muslims are doing today is wrong. You can't excuse what is done today because of what another group did hundreds of years ago.

I was completely unaware that I was excusing anything at all. Probably because I wasn't. Not sure where you get that I did...

you are comparing the crusades which was never scriptural but rather people following a christian leader and not the bible, with marriage which is people attempting to follow the bible and not an individual leader.

I'm comparing one Christian belief to another. You've abandoned one, saying it's wrong, then turn around and say you shouldn't aboandon beliefs for "progress" because once right/wrong always right/wrong.

And gay marriage does not attempt to follow the bible. If anyone were trying to ACTUALLY follow the bible they would see there is absolutely no need to deny gay the right to marry. I'd go further, but I already have many times and this isn't the thread for it anyway.

[mrveggieman]

My spin on this is that just like you can be homophobic against gays because deep down you are uncomfortable about your sexuality a just like a christian can be islamophobic because deep down he/she is uncomfortable with their own christanity. If someone makes a false or inaccurate remark about the God that I serve I will correct them but I am not going to pitch a fit. I also am not going to harrass or clown the next man for worshiping God as he sees fit. I am very comfortable and secure with my walk with God it's just too bad that more people are not.

[shrewsbury]

and some christians may be against gay marriage, but muslim countries jail people who are gay, and actively search for gays to incarcerate.

first off not all christians were in the crusades, a king started this. also the christians got into the crusades to protect the holy land from muslims, who were killing christians and jews and taking over the holy land. (i do not like the idea of a holy land, just using it because they did). and as pointed out, some people think it is ok to punish others for what someone did hundreds of years ago. the crusades, slavery, native americans.

news flash, none of us here were there no had any part in any of it. should we not be worried about who is doing what now, rather than making excuses for people actions based on events that took place way outside of our lifetime.

you can compare bottled water to urine, but it does not mean they are the same.

[ensbergcollector]

My spin on this is that just like you can be homophobic against gays because deep down you are uncomfortable about your sexuality a just like a christian can be islamophobic because deep down he/she is uncomfortable with their own christanity. If someone makes a false or inaccurate remark about the God that I serve I will correct them but I am not going to pitch a fit. I also am not going to harrass or clown the next man for worshiping God as he sees fit. I am very comfortable and secure with my walk with God it's just too bad that more people are not.

i have absolutely no idea what this post has to do with anything. no one is pitching a fit about muslims worshipping God as they see fit. I have no issue with muslims. I have an issue with the violence done in the name of islam and I have an issue with people who ignore it, excuse it, or try to steer conversations away from it by saying that christians are the same.

[mrveggieman]

i have absolutely no idea what this post has to do with anything. no one is pitching a fit about muslims worshipping God as they see fit. I have no issue with muslims. I have an issue with the violence done in the name of islam and I have an issue with people who ignore it, excuse it, or try to steer conversations away from it by saying that christians are the same.

I have an issue with violence being commited against any innocent person regardless of race, religion, sexual orientation or any other trivial matter. It's just some people want to point out the violence committed by demographics other than their own but if someone of their own demographic commits an evil act they sweep it under the rug or use the cop out the devil made them do it.

[ensbergcollector]

I have an issue with violence being commited against any innocent person regardless of race, religion, sexual orientation or any other trivial matter. It's just some people want to point out the violence committed by demographics other than their own but if someone of their own demographic commits an evil act they sweep it under the rug or use the cop out the devil made them do it.

for the millionth time no. people want to point out the difference in violence committed by fringe individuals and violence committed by large percentages of a population. I am the first person to call out idiotic comments or violent actions by "christians." you try to compare mobs of people killing in the name of religion with lone individuals doing the same. you can't compare the two and say they are equal.