Why is it

[JustAlex]

All the atheists and agnostics want to believe the founding fathers were very smart men to produce the greatest nation in history.

I'm an atheist, and trust me, I don't believe this is the "greatest" nation in history. When the U.S was just starting it had millions of slaves and suppressed everyone that wasn't a white christian male. Nothing great about that.

Then go so far as to cherry pick quotes and opinons to make the point that the US is not a Christian nation.

Err....isn't that what you guys do?

You respect the founding father's intelligence and if the left wingers are like me, freely admit 99% of the founding fathers were smarter than me or you.

Who cares how smart they were....they were right about some things and wrong on others such as slavery. Newton was a pretty smart man, he also believed in alchemy...

With that preface you completely ignore they were all Christian (please don't start with the Jefferson stuff) . In other words, you believe and give them credit they were very smart to start his country, but they are imbeciles when they believe in God.

Who cares what their religion was, they had in mind a purely secular nation. Which is the reason why God is NEVER mentioned in the constitution, which is the reason why the 1st amendment allows every citizen in the U.S to disobey 8 out of the 10 commandments, which is the reason why they said that no religious test would be needed for qualification to ANY U.S office!

Just because most of the citizens in the U.S are Christian does NOT mean this is a christian country.....just like how the majority are white, but that doesn't mean we are a "White Country".

Most of the U.S population are females....does that mean we are a "Female country"???

Sorry, but this is a secular nation.....end of story.

[ALADOG]

And many of the EVEN SMARTER men in history do not believe in religion. Just like today, I am sure back then in order to be a successful politician you HAD to believe in God. If you did not, you would never get elected. Even the smartest mind can trick itself into believing something for no apparent reason. Most of these smart men who use extraordinary logic in all other pursuits of life, throw logic out the window when it comes to religious beliefs. Why, because they have to.

Don't you just hate it when that happens. You are going along thinking you are making such a good point and then BAM! there it is. You have made your opponents point better than he could.

Your words " I am sure back then in order to be a successful politician you HAD to believe in God." What better way to illustrate this country was founded as a Christian nation. Not that we were intended to be a theocracy or oligarchy of Christians but definately a Christian nation.

[Wickabee]

Don't you just hate it when that happens. You are going along thinking you are making such a good point and then BAM! there it is. You have made your opponents point better than he could.

Your words " I am sure back then in order to be a successful politician you HAD to believe in God." What better way to illustrate this country was founded as a Christian nation. Not that we were intended to be a theocracy or oligarchy of Christians but definately a Christian nation.

Well:
1 - No offense to him, but I wouldn't use Habs as an infallible resource on the subject.
2 - He said believe "in God" not "the Christian God" so he didn't actually say what you're trying to make it look like he said.
3 - Even if it was a necessary to believe in Chirstian God back then, it still doesn't speak to what their actual plans and hopes for America were, just that they were all Christian. If America was a Christian nation, adultery would be a jailable offense. No way around it.

[ALADOG]

Just because most of the citizens in the U.S are Christian does NOT mean this is a christian country.....just like how the majority are white, but that doesn't mean we are a "White Country".

Most of the U.S population are females....does that mean we are a "Female country"???

Sorry, but this is a secular nation.....end of story.

Your arrogance is unsurpassed by anyone I have ever come in contact with.

The gross intrusions into our freedoms by liberals has only come about in the last 60 years. You are too young to remember our country before the destruction began with the liberal policies put in place. As I said in another thread, The encroachemnts into our freedoms and rights by one generation are the entitlements of the following generations. You are part of the entitlement generation.

[JustAlex]

Your arrogance is unsurpassed by anyone I have ever come in contact with.

The gross intrusions into our freedoms by liberals has only come about in the last 60 years. You are too young to remember our country before the destruction began with the liberal policies put in place. As I said in another thread, The encroachemnts into our freedoms and rights by one generation are the entitlements of the following generations. You are part of the entitlement generation.

"My Arrogance"?

I'm not the one making a case that this is a christian nation, when it clearly isn't.

Why can't you and others like you understand that being secular isn't being "Leftist" or "liberal" or "socialist" or any other buzz words that you guys love using.

It's a simple NEUTRALITY of religion, it's a good thing.

I bet you wouldn't like it if we were a "Masonic Country".

BTW, did you know that many of the founders were Masons?

Did you know that there are masonic symbols all over D.C and in our money?


Well, there you go, using your own logic, I just proved the United States is a "Masonic Country".

[Wickabee]

why can't you and others like you understand that being secular isn't being "leftist" or "liberal" or "socialist" or any other buzz words that you guys love using.

church!!!

[ALADOG]

"My Arrogance"?

I'm not the one making a case that this is a christian nation, when it clearly isn't.

Why can't you and others like you understand that being secular isn't being "Leftist" or "liberal" or "socialist" or any other buzz words that you guys love using.

It's a simple NEUTRALITY of religion, it's a good thing.

I bet you wouldn't like it if we were a "Masonic Country".

BTW, did you know that many of the founders were Masons?

Did you know that there are masonic symbols all over D.C and in our money?


Well, there you go, using your own logic, I just proved the United States is a "Masonic Country".

Yes your Extreme arrogance. It seems to come from your immaturity and insecurity. You are extremely dogmatic and do not listen to anyone else's opinion. Your demeanor suggests a middle teenager. You do not use any logic. I will no longer involve myself in conversation with you.

[habsheaven]

Don't you just hate it when that happens. You are going along thinking you are making such a good point and then BAM! there it is. You have made your opponents point better than he could.

Your words " I am sure back then in order to be a successful politician you HAD to believe in God." What better way to illustrate this country was founded as a Christian nation. Not that we were intended to be a theocracy or oligarchy of Christians but definately a Christian nation.

That has nothing to do with it being a christian nation. It has everything to do with not alienating voters. You also had to be a supporter of slavery, and a male chauvinistic pig to be a successful politician. The documents speak for themselves. Bam!!!

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Yes your Extreme arrogance. It seems to come from your immaturity and insecurity. You are extremely dogmatic and do not listen to anyone else's opinion. Your demeanor suggests a middle teenager. You do not use any logic. I will no longer involve myself in conversation with you.

"Hi, Pot? Kettle calling. I've been meaning to tell you something..."

[mrveggieman]

All the atheists and agnostics want to believe the founding fathers were very smart men to produce the greatest nation in history. Then go so far as to cherry pick quotes and opinons to make the point that the US is not a Christian nation. You respect the founding father's intelligence and if the left wingers are like me, freely admit 99% of the founding fathers were smarter than me or you. With that preface you completely ignore they were all Christian (please don't start with the Jefferson stuff) . In other words, you believe and give them credit they were very smart to start his country, but they are imbeciles when they believe in God.

If the founding fathers intended this country to be an exclusive whites only christian only country club why wasn't it written in the constitution? Why wasn't this country turned into a religious dictatorship just like in the middle east. You conservatives are a mess. On one hand you scream that you want to go to war so that people in the middle east can have "freedom" however in your world you would like nothing more than to surpress religious freedom in your own country.