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09-26-2012, 01:08 PM #31
I'll go ahead and say it. I'm in the 1%, I think I'm smarter than the founding fathers were. It's not coming from a place of arrogance, our world is a lot more complicated than it was then, and in the 21st century we have a much better understanding of science the world/universe/yada yada yada. If you think about it for two seconds and take the founding fathers off the pedestal that you are putting them on, you would realize it too. They by no means could have predicted the world we live in now, and would have a very hard time understanding it.
I'm by no means questioning how smart they were during the period they lived in, but I fail to admit they had more knowledge than I do now.
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09-26-2012, 01:39 PM #32
Rockman, I somehow agree with you.
but
this has nothing to do with them being christians or not
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09-26-2012, 01:41 PM #33
The thread started off saying:
Founding fathers = Christian
Founding fathers = Smart
Christian = Smart
So they've been tied together for the purposes of this thread.
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09-26-2012, 01:43 PM #34
I don't care what religion you are. You can still be an idiot. GWB and Sara Palin are perfect examples of people who claim to be religious but are complete idiots. Also I don't believe that most of the founding fathers are the same type of christians like the fanatical ones are today.
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09-26-2012, 01:44 PM #35
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09-26-2012, 01:45 PM #36
^^^^^ Sums it up.
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09-26-2012, 01:47 PM #37
Thanks, you hit that one right on the head.
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09-26-2012, 10:09 PM #38
you having more knowledge than them now, does not have anything to do with them being christian.
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09-27-2012, 11:47 AM #39
Shrew, you're better than that.
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09-27-2012, 11:53 AM #40
I think you guys are asking the wrong questions.
1. Were the founding fathers Christian? Sure, many of them were. I don't think that's really even debatable. There were quite a few that were deists, some were "other", but a good number of them considered themselves to be Christian.
2. Is the United States a Christian nation? No. It doesn't matter that many of the founders of the country were Christian. Here is the oft-quoted text from the Treaty of Tripoli (1797):
Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/treaty_tripoli.html
That's really about as cut and dry as it gets. This is NOT to discredit Christian influence on those who founded our nation, because I'm sure there is a lot of it. Just like there was plenty of Deist influence (funny how NO ONE talks about that). But this is a direct text saying that the US is not a Christian nation, which really just re-enforces the 1st amendment which says that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion."
So when someone like Sarah Palin says that the US is a Christian nation, she's right, but very wrong at the same time. We were founded by people of mixed religions, including Christianity, all of which played a role in our development. But when those same founders say that the US won't establish a national religion, and that we are not founded on Christianity, then I'm inclined to believe them.
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