Peppered Sprayed Students get compensated......JUSTICE! American Style!

[shrewsbury]

yeah, 4 dead in OHIO, but how many died from the pepper spray?

comparing apples to rocks, try again

and no one has yet told me what they should have done, why is that?

[Wickabee]

yeah, 4 dead in OHIO, but how many died from the pepper spray?

comparing apples to rocks, try again

Hey, those kids in Ohio knew what the possible consequences of their actions were. I take that to mean, if they died, they deserved it. Or is your logic only valid so long as no one is killed?

and no one has yet told me what they should have done, why is that?

You say you agree they shouldn't have pepper sprayed, but you still want to argue with people you agree with? You make no sense today, man.

[duwal]

You say you agree they shouldn't have pepper sprayed, but you still want to argue with people you agree with? You make no sense today, man.

he agrees that the act of pepper spraying should not have been used but is simply asking what other options did the police have? The pepper spray is non-lethal and was the option where there would be the least amount of physical contact and confrontation between the police and the protestors. No matter what people are going to complain about the police officers actions no matter what strategy they applied to removing the students

[Wickabee]

he agrees that the act of pepper spraying should not have been used but is simply asking what other options did the police have? The pepper spray is non-lethal and was the option where there would be the least amount of physical contact and confrontation between the police and the protestors. No matter what people are going to complain about the police officers actions no matter what strategy they applied to removing the students

He said he agrees they shouldn't be peppersprayed, but can't come up with an alternative himself all the while criticizing everyone else who agrees with him for not coming up with ideas either.
He says he doesn't think they should be peppersprayed, then turns around and says they should have seen it coming and accepted the consequences.

That's TWO spots he's contradicting himself, and you're defending it.

He's also said comparing protesters who were shot to protesters who were peppersprayed is somehow "apples and oranges". I wonder how police showing up to a protest and shooting bullets is really all that different from them shooting pepperspray. Pepperspray isn't lethal...unless someone has respiratory problems, then it can be. Guns aren't lethal until the victim bleeds to death or if they are hit in a main area.

Where's the difference, Shrew?

I guess some people will never admit a policeman's mistake. If you have a uniform, you're infallible, etc, etc.

[shrewsbury]

wickabee, again, you try and try to skew my words.

the fact is you and a few others on here always try to say people don't answer your questions, but here you can see there is no answer to mine.

how many college kids were shot and killed while protesting BEFORE kent state? 2 were killed 2 months later, but none i know of before,
so how would you know that being shot is an option?

but lets look at it this way, how many people have been pepper sprayed or beaten or arrested for protesting at a college?
too many to count

so the odds would state, i protest and do not follow police orders i will more than likely be arrested, can be peppered sprayed, might be beaten, and even have a slight chance of being shot.

and once again we see the non conservative not being able to answer a direct question. everybody complains they shouldn't have done this or that, but have no clue on what else they should have done. this displays that some peoples actions are controlled by emotions and not reasoning, and it is quite often the complainers who do this.

so lets really look at what was taught at one of our colleges

you can knowingly break the law and there should be no consequences, and if they are, take them to court.

what they should have been taught is that protests can be within the law and if you decide not to follow the law, you will have consequences. so if something is so important to you that consequences do not matter, then go for it, but do not cry about it when it happens.

[Wickabee]

wickabee, again, you try and try to skew my words.

the fact is you and a few others on here always try to say people don't answer your questions, but here you can see there is no answer to mine.

I'm outright saying I don't know, but I do know what happened is wrong, as you've said you also know. So, I ask you, what should they have done?
I'll wait until you post to ironically criticize you for not answering a question I have no answer to.

Also, I'm curious as to why you feel the need to argue (for the sake of arguing, it looks) with people you claim to agree with.

how many college kids were shot and killed while protesting BEFORE kent state? 2 were killed 2 months later, but none i know of before,
so how would you know that being shot is an option?

Simple logic really. The police have guns. Eventually, they're going to shoot. Maybe not this minute, maybe not this protest, but any logical thinking person has to realize that's a possible outcome. Knowing this, I interpret your post as "they got what they deserve". That's also how I see your comment towards these protesters, though you agree they shouldn't have been pepper sprayed.

and once again we see the non conservative not being able to answer a direct question. everybody complains they shouldn't have done this or that, but have no clue on what else they should have done. this displays that some peoples actions are controlled by emotions and not reasoning, and it is quite often the complainers who do this.

I'll state again. YOU claim to agree they shouldn't have been peppersprayed, YOU ask what they should have done instead, YOU obviously have no idea what they should have done either but somehow you're above the rest of us for:
A - Not being a Liberal
and
B: Being the first to ask that question

Well La-De-Freaking-Da. You`re a champion who came up with a question you can`t answer (oh, but we`ll ignore that so you can feel superior) and no one else has yet. Congratulations, I think you just pulled the d*** argument of the week.

what they should have been taught is that protests can be within the law and if you decide not to follow the law, you will have consequences. so if something is so important to you that consequences do not matter, then go for it, but do not cry about it when it happens.

Tin soldiers and Nixon`s coming...

[shrewsbury]

oh wickabee, what to say now?

you got me?

no, of course not

first lets say my question was a simple reminder that if you don't know what should have been done or what you would have done, then maybe you should not question what others did or do.

but as for an answer,

i would not want to injure them, and i would need to remove them.

so one at a time i would give them the option to obey, if they did not, i would tell them they are under arrest and ask them to comply, if they did not, i would use pain bearing methods to make them comply to being cuffed and then carry them off. and go down the line like this.

the issue with this is two things. one i would still be accused of abuse and two i would need the proper training to be able to do it and so would the other officers.

i have always said police are underpaid and under trained, most accusations result from improper training, whether mental or physical. also the disrespect for the police and the law seems accepted and often even joked about, this is certainly one of the things that have resulted in so many crimes and people in prison.

but to be fair i will also say that do to the lack of training, generally bad cops, and numbers of them, i can see why some think they are a joke or even worse.

and just to make your day,

you are so liberal that you bleed red

wait......

what color is Canadian blood?

[Wickabee]

oh wickabee, what to say now?

you got me?

no, of course not

I'd never expect you to admit defeat. Be subject to, sure, but never admit it ;)

first lets say my question was a simple reminder that if you don't know what should have been done or what you would have done, then maybe you should not question what others did or do.

And let's say you agreed wholeheartedly that the spray was the wrong course of action.
And let's say you asked what they should have done instead.
And let's say you offered up no alternative yourself.
And let's say, for the sake of sticking to facts, that you began criticizing "liberals" (liberals you agreed with, remember) for not coming up with anything either.

So the only thing separating you from those dirty, disgusting liberals, is the fact you typed out the question before someone else did. How can you criticize them when you've done the exact same thing, but ended with a question you had no idea of an answer to. You're not only being a hypocrite, you're kind of being a jerk.

but as for an answer,

Oh thank the lord

i would not want to injure them, and i would need to remove them.

so one at a time i would give them the option to obey, if they did not, i would tell them they are under arrest and ask them to comply, if they did not, i would use pain bearing methods to make them comply to being cuffed and then carry them off. and go down the line like this.

the issue with this is two things. one i would still be accused of abuse and two i would need the proper training to be able to do it and so would the other officers.

So you'd basically do what was done...but you don't agree with it...but it's the course you would take...but it's wrong...pick a side, man

i have always said police are underpaid and under trained, most accusations result from improper training, whether mental or physical. also the disrespect for the police and the law seems accepted and often even joked about, this is certainly one of the things that have resulted in so many crimes and people in prison.

I agree they're poorly trained. I'd say they were underpaid, but I need better results in the form of better training and actual consequences for misdeeds before I'll give them more money.
As for the second part, I will remind you there is an immense difference between disrespecting officers and civil disobedience. They are separate things. I think it's wrong to disrespect officers, but I don't trust them either.

but to be fair i will also say that do to the lack of training, generally bad cops, and numbers of them, i can see why some think they are a joke or even worse.

I don't think they're a joke. I think they're no better than the average citizen and my trust towards them reflects that. I've been told that means I hate cops and disrespect them. I don't, but I don't trust them as far as I can throw them, unless I know them. They're just people and they prove it everyday. They are here for them and theirs. If that makes anyone angry, get mad at the cops who perpetuate it, the management who allows it, not the people who react to it. That is just stupid.

and just to make your day,

you are so liberal that you bleed red

wait......

what color is Canadian blood?

Blue. Labatt Blue to be specific.

[shrewsbury]

wickabee, , wait i need to stop laughing,

ok, no wait....


alright i am ready now.

here is one more fact you and others may enjoy.

after the kent state shootings all the blame was given to the students. after an FBI investigation, the FBI came to several conclusions,
there was no sniper
the soldiers were not surrounded
there was no need to shoot them
and
wait for it
here it comes



they should have used tear gas

[Wickabee]

wickabee, , wait i need to stop laughing,

ok, no wait....


alright i am ready now.

here is one more fact you and others may enjoy.

after the kent state shootings all the blame was given to the students. after an FBI investigation, the FBI came to several conclusions,
there was no sniper
the soldiers were not surrounded
there was no need to shoot them
and
wait for it
here it comes



they should have used tear gas

That still doesn't explain why you've taken two opposing sides on an issue.