Obama WINS 2nd Debate!

[Wickabee]

Romney clearly won the first debate. Virtually nobody will argue otherwise. You cannot say that either won this one convincingly.

As for the drilling issue that wickabee mentioned, romney said drilling was down 50% on federal land. that's not too far from the truth. offshore leases are down 60% from the last 3 years of gwb, and onshore leases are down about 1/3 under obama vs. last 3 years under gwb. it has been well-documented obama is no friend of the oil/coal/gas industry. to hear him act as if he is was downright laughable.

His 14% is actually just in one year. Overall, drilling has gone up on federal lands. That's from a fact-checker on NBC though so I'm sure you'll have a problem with it and want blood samples or something.

[AUTaxMan]

His 14% is actually just in one year. Overall, drilling has gone up on federal lands. That's from a fact-checker on NBC though so I'm sure you'll have a problem with it and want blood samples or something.

my numbers were last 3 years under gwb v. first 3 under obama. i'll be happy to see the fact check site if you have a link.

[Zimbow]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=QEpCrcMF5Ps

[Wickabee]

my numbers were last 3 years under gwb v. first 3 under obama. i'll be happy to see the fact check site if you have a link.

Wasn't a site, TV. Though the only thing that matters, if true (and I figure a fact checker on a major network is pretty reliable out of necessity) is that drilling is up and Romney argued vehemently that it was down. If I remember correctly, his numbers of down 14% do accurately describe 2010, but over Obama's term it is up 8% or some such number.

[ensbergcollector]

got quote working again good...

If you can't admit that Obama won this debate.. you are just a shill sir. When romney interupted the president he lost, when he interupted the moderator, he made it worse... when he F'd up his own facts... he just ruined the entire night for himself. Everything else is a red herring. "virtually nobody will argue otherwise"... unless you are watching fox news lol

i think obama won this debate, so that isn't my issue.

however, let me get this straight...when biden interrupted ryan like 80 times it was smart planning and threw off ryans game (according to nearly every website not named fox) but when romney interrupted obama it showed he lost the debate? huh?

[Wickabee]

i think obama won this debate, so that isn't my issue.

however, let me get this straight...when biden interrupted ryan like 80 times it was smart planning and threw off ryans game (according to nearly every website not named fox) but when romney interrupted obama it showed he lost the debate? huh?

That goes both ways, man. Bidden was smug, condiscending and rude but Romney was confident, direct and hard hitting.
Not saying you've said that, just saying as much as you don't understand it going one way, I don't understand it the other. Maybe we're both right...

[ensbergcollector]

That goes both ways, man. Bidden was smug, condiscending and rude but Romney was confident, direct and hard hitting.
Not saying you've said that, just saying as much as you don't understand it going one way, I don't understand it the other. Maybe we're both right...

i can see that...totally agree

[Imac7065]

i think obama won this debate, so that isn't my issue.

however, let me get this straight...when biden interrupted ryan like 80 times it was smart planning and threw off ryans game (according to nearly every website not named fox) but when romney interrupted obama it showed he lost the debate? huh?

First.. you've never heard this from me (you are talking to me not "everyone" lol) ... I said Biden won that debate by a landslide personally.. but he should not have interrupted as much as he did. That however was the VICE Presidential debate... when talking to the ACTUAL PRESIDENT... you are on a higher level, and should show the proper respect the office deserves. You don't have to like the man in that office.. but you need to respect the office itself.

[2000Doubles]

First.. you've never heard this from me (you are talking to me not "everyone" lol) ... I said Biden won that debate by a landslide personally.. but he should not have interrupted as much as he did. That however was the VICE Presidential debate... when talking to the ACTUAL PRESIDENT... you are on a higher level, and should show the proper respect the office deserves. You don't have to like the man in that office.. but you need to respect the office itself.

So are you saying if Obama acted in that way it would be okay, because Romney is just a governer.

The idea of winning the debate is in my opinion mute. They were positioning themselves to reaffirm their parties, whatever stance you had before the debate will still be true after. I just wished instead of each other beating their past actions/ideas down, they would have taken this national stage to say what specific changes they hope to make in the next 4 years in office. And how they would make them. Point plans with broad ideas is not going to help the people, of course everyone wants to hear tax cuts, lower the deficit and increase jobs. But just saying that a stronger economy will do that is not enough. Whether its a top down or middle out approach, they are selling theories, I wanted to hear ideas.

[Imac7065]

So are you saying if Obama acted in that way it would be okay, because Romney is just a governer.

The idea of winning the debate is in my opinion mute. They were positioning themselves to reaffirm their parties, whatever stance you had before the debate will still be true after. I just wished instead of each other beating their past actions/ideas down, they would have taken this national stage to say what specific changes they hope to make in the next 4 years in office. And how they would make them. Point plans with broad ideas is not going to help the people, of course everyone wants to hear tax cuts, lower the deficit and increase jobs. But just saying that a stronger economy will do that is not enough. Whether its a top down or middle out approach, they are selling theories, I wanted to hear ideas.

Of course not to the bolded part.. he would come off as a bully if he did that just as many said Biden did... but you think it's ok for a guy to interrupt the POTUS and tell him "it's my turn to speak, you'll have your turn"? The guy was crass and rude to the POTUS.. and should be called on it.