Gun Control?

[shrewsbury]

did his mom not have issues as well? i heard she was a prepper of some sort, with a large stash of food, guns, and ammo

[mrveggieman]

I agree. And for the record I grew up and around the heavy influence of hunting and firearms. I knew right away after going along on a deer hunt when I was younger guns weren't for me. I admit I have never had much interest in them, though I have shot them a handful of times. My life doesn't revolve around them enough for me to put the lives of others at risk or the paranoia of the government ahead of common sense. Again though i do show obvious bias since I don't hunt and I don't fear the US government, nor do I fear for my families safety. If I did, I'd move. And I do think the constitution is slightly out dated. I also think for the most part hunting is a bit stupid as well. Unless you need to do it to feed your family and or make a living I don't see the sport/point in it, again thats just me.

I agree with you on the hunting part. Killing animals for sport or any other reason is just plain sick in my book. I am not afraid of animals but do wonder what is on some people's mind. I hope and pray that nothing ever happens where I have to use a gun but it is always good to have on just in case. A man's home is his castle and a man must defend his castle and family by any means neccessary.

[mrveggieman]

Also check this out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distric...mbia_v._Heller

This case was ruled on by the US Supreme court that affirms the common man's right to own a firearm for personal protection. Once the supreme court rules on something that's it. There is nothing higher that unless God himself comes down and takes our guns away and I doubt that.

Luke 22:36 says Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

Now I know that atheists do not believe in God so this part means nothing to them. In that case the supreme court would be the highest word. Since they don't believe in God there is nothing higher than the supreme court regarding guns. Per the SCOTUS common man has a right to have a firearm end of discussion. If you believe in the bible Jesus affirms a man's right to defend himself as well. So matter how you slice it a man does indeed have the right to defend himself and his household with a firearm.

[tpeichel]

It will be interesting to see what meds the killer was using since anti-depressants have been proven to increase suicidal thinking and behavior in children, adolescents, and young adults. For many people, there's a whole new level of hell if you stop taking your meds abruptly as well. I will not be surprised one bit if this is a major factor in this mass shooting.

http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2012/12/th...mass-killings/

A growing number of school shootings and other shooting rampages were committed by individuals under the influence of, or in withdrawal from, psychiatric drugs known to cause mania, psychosis, violence and even homicide. Consider this list of 13 massacres over the past decade or so, resulting in 54 dead and 105 wounded – and these are just the ones where the psychiatric drugs are known. In other cases, medical records were sealed or autopsy reports not made public or, in some cases, toxicology tests were either not done to test for psychiatric drugs or not disclosed to the public. But this is what we do know about the mental health “treatment” of those who committed these acts of violence:

• Dekalb, Illinois – February 14, 2008: 27-year-old Steven Kazmierczak shot and killed five people and wounded 16 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amount of Xanax in his system.
  
• Omaha, Nebraska – December 5, 2007: 19-year-old Robert Hawkins killed eight people and wounded five before committing suicide in an Omaha mall. Hawkins’ friend told CNN that the gunman was on antidepressants, and autopsy results confirmed he was under the influence of the “anti-anxiety” drug Valium.
  
• Jokela, Finland – November 7, 2007: 18-year-old Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School in southern Finland, then committed suicide.
  
• Cleveland, Ohio – October 10, 2007: 14-year-old Asa Coon stormed through his school with a gun in each hand, shooting and wounding four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon had been placed on the antidepressant Trazodone.
  
• Blacksburg, Virginia – April 16, 2007: 23-year-old Seung Hui Cho shot to death 32 students and faculty of Virginia Tech, wounding 17 more, and then killing himself. He had received prior mental health treatment, however his mental health records remained sealed.
• Red Lake, Minnesota – March 2005: 16-year-old Jeff Weise, on Prozac, shot and killed his grandparents, then went to his school on the Red Lake Indian Reservation where he shot dead 7 students and a teacher, and wounded 7 before killing himself.
  
• Greenbush, New York – February 2004: 16-year-old Jon Romano strolled into his high school in east Greenbush and opened fire with a shotgun. Special education teacher Michael Bennett was hit in the leg. Romano had been taking “medication for depression”.
• El Cajon, California – March 22, 2001: 18-year-old Jason Hoffman, on the antidepressants Celexa and Effexor, opened fire on his classmates, wounding three students and two teachers at Granite Hills High School.
  
• Williamsport, Pennsylvania – March 7, 2001: 14-year-old Elizabeth Bush was taking the antidepressant Prozac when she shot at fellow students, wounding one.
• Conyers, Georgia – May 20, 1999: 15-year-old T.J. Solomon was being treated with antidepressants when he opened fire on and wounded six of his classmates.
• Columbine, Colorado – April 20, 1999: 18-year-old Eric Harris and his accomplice, Dylan Klebold, killed 12 students and a teacher and wounded 26 others before killing themselves. Harris was on the antidepressant Luvox. Klebold’s medical records remain sealed.
  
• Notus, Idaho – April 16, 1999: 15-year-old Shawn Cooper fired two shotgun rounds in his school, narrowly missing students. He was taking a prescribed SSRI antidepressant and Ritalin.
• Springfield, Oregon – May 21, 1998: 15-year-old Kip Kinkel murdered his parents and then proceeded to school where he opened fire on students in the cafeteria, killing two and wounding 22. Kinkel had been taking the antidepressant Prozac.
  

It makes sense if you think about it. Americans have always had guns, but it wasn't until we really started medicating our children that we've seen the explosion of mass shootings.

[mrveggieman]

Good point.

[shrewsbury]

actually meds used for depression often give the person enough energy to actually do something, whether suicide or hurt others.

the issue is, no amount of medicine or care will eliminate these types of tragic events, you could say it may prevent some of them, but there is no way to know.

sometimes even people who appear to be "normal" can lose it.

i am not concerned about gun laws, what i am concerned with is the fact this may lead to armed guards at all schools, on the surface this seems ok, but how many of these guards will do more harm than good. what kind of training will they have? will they actually be of any help, or just have a weapon someone can take away from them and do more damage? how many will be predators? drug dealers? thieves?

if you lock them out they will shoot out the window or drive a truck through the wall, you can't prevent it, you can only hope to stop it before it turns to this.

there is just no way to simplify this or reason with it, it is beyond our ability to comprehend, which is good, we should not understand such horrific actions.

[tpeichel]

The Institute for Safe Medication Practices (ISMP) recently published a study in the journal PLoS One highlighting the worst prescription drug offenders that cause patients to become violent. Among the top-ten most dangerous are the antidepressants Pristiq (desvenlafaxine), Paxil (paroxetine) and Prozac (fluoxetine). Concerns about the extreme negative side effects of many popular antidepressant and antipsychotic drugs have been on the rise, as these drugs not only cause severe health problems to users, but also pose a significant threat to society. The ISMP report indicates that, according to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration’s (FDA) Adverse Event Reporting System, many popular drugs are linked even to homicides.
Most of the drugs in the top ten most dangerous are antidepressants, but also included are an insomnia medication, an attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) drug, a malaria drug and an anti-smoking medication.

As reported in Time, the top ten list is as follows:
10. Desvenlafaxine (Pristiq) – An antidepressant that affects serotonin and noradrenaline. The drug is 7.9 times more likely to be associated with violence than other drugs.
9. Venlafaxine (Effexor) – An antidepressant that treats anxiety disorders. The drug is 8.3 times more likely to be associated with violence than other drugs.
8. Fluvoxamine (Luvox) – A selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor (SSRI) drug that is 8.4 times more likely to be associated with violence than other drugs.

7. Triazolam (Halcion) – A benzodiazepine drug for insomnia that is 8.7 times more likely to be associated with violence than other drugs.
6. Atomoxetine (Strattera) – An ADHD drug that is 9 times more likely to be associated with violence than other drugs.
5. Mefoquine (Lariam) – A malaria drug that is 9.5 times more likely to be associated with violence than other drugs.
4. Amphetamines – This general class of ADHD drug is 9.6 times more likely to be associated with violence than other drugs.

3. Paroxetine (Paxil) – An SSRI antidepressant drug that is 10.3 times more likely to be associated with violence than other drugs. It is also linked to severe withdrawal symptoms and birth defects.
2. Fluoxetine (Prozac) – A popular SSRI antidepressant drug that is 10.9 times more likely to be associated with violence than other drugs.
1. Varenicline (Chantix) – An anti-smoking drug that is a shocking 18 times more likely to be associated with violence than other drugs.

[habsheaven]

Also check this out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distric...mbia_v._Heller

This case was ruled on by the US Supreme court that affirms the common man's right to own a firearm for personal protection. Once the supreme court rules on something that's it. There is nothing higher that unless God himself comes down and takes our guns away and I doubt that.

Luke 22:36 says Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

Now I know that atheists do not believe in God so this part means nothing to them. In that case the supreme court would be the highest word. Since they don't believe in God there is nothing higher than the supreme court regarding guns. Per the SCOTUS common man has a right to have a firearm end of discussion. If you believe in the bible Jesus affirms a man's right to defend himself as well. So matter how you slice it a man does indeed have the right to defend himself and his household with a firearm.

My own conscience is a lot higher in importance than any court or God. I do not need either to distinguish right from wrong, or reasonable from unreasonable.

[greg271126817]

Can some thing please be explained to me by those who support he need to have AR15s and that Bushwacker weapons...Explain if you can why you need theses weapons in your home.


Please know I have own 3 guns in my life- 2 22 rifles and a shot gun I no longer have any Guns or any sort.

WOW this got a little out of hand. I guess people just dont understand what people say about things. Do you really think i would tell someone who is insane to go out and buy guns? If you dont understand what i say then dont comment, just that simple. I am a firm believer in being able to own a gun, but people who are competent, not crazy people who are going to use them for the wrong things.

now to your explanation Why not have an AR15 or bushwacker weapons? Why have cardboard with autograph or jersey patches on them, or serial numbers? maybe because they are collectibles? Some people collect cards, coins, cars, toys, antiques, why not guns? I think in a time of need guns would be more valuable than cards or other collectibles would be. At least if someone is trying to kill you with a gun or other weapon you would be able to defend yourself. Unless you think you have a good chance of doing that throwing cards. Just think friday when everything starts to fall apart who are gonna have the best shot at survival? card collectors or gun collectors?

[ajcorleone]

Well said they are collectibles and this is or was a card collecting site.I am with you but i feel a wrath coming on from others.But I agree with your point

WOW this got a little out of hand. I guess people just dont understand what people say about things. Do you really think i would tell someone who is insane to go out and buy guns? If you dont understand what i say then dont comment, just that simple. I am a firm believer in being able to own a gun, but people who are competent, not crazy people who are going to use them for the wrong things.

now to your explanation Why not have an AR15 or bushwacker weapons? Why have cardboard with autograph or jersey patches on them, or serial numbers? maybe because they are collectibles? Some people collect cards, coins, cars, toys, antiques, why not guns? I think in a time of need guns would be more valuable than cards or other collectibles would be. At least if someone is trying to kill you with a gun or other weapon you would be able to defend yourself. Unless you think you have a good chance of doing that throwing cards. Just think friday when everything starts to fall apart who are gonna have the best shot at survival? card collectors or gun collectors?