Is God an Atheist?

[Wickabee]

^But do they seriously consider that?

They are comfortable with what they perceive to know.

They perceive that god is real, that he has always been, that when they die there is an afterlife, that god is the judge of where you will go in said afterlife.

That's it.

This is the quintessential religious theist.

And like I said, they are intellectually dishonest.....they can't know these things, just like I can't know that god really isn't real.

But by claiming that they know....they lie to themselves and to others.

I'm not trying to insult anyone directly here, but when a christian goes around proselytizing to others....they are no better than a snake oil salesman.

They are selling both the disease and the cure....their alibi will be that they truly care for this particular person and they really mean no harm.

And you know what? I believe them when they say that.

And that's why I don't hate religious people....I hate religion.

But there comes a point when you have to use that logic which is inescapable to everyone.

Will they admit they are possibly wrong?

or will they shrug it off?

You and I both know what the majority do.

I came to this inescapable logic and for awhile I did in fact shrug it off, until I couldn't anymore, and now as an atheist I can be intellectually honest and say....I fully admit that I am possibly wrong in my assertions.

Many people use the word "know" when they mean "believe" simply because their belief is so strong they truly think they know it. That's no more dishonest than saying "There HAS to be other life in the universe."

I also think it's quite telling that, when faced with the realization you could be wrong, instead of really learning more about things, you simply moved to a system where being wrong is not met with a "hell" of any sort. I also think it's wrong that you deny God because of religion, but many people do. It's chic in certain circles to be atheist so it's easy.

[Star_Cards]

I'm not offended, I just don't see the point is all.

You said it best twice...Pretty much answer less and impossible to know.

Sorry. Didn't mean to say you were offended. However much I find it interesting, yes there's no need to say negative things about people who do believe.

[deansayso]

Ha no need to apologize..you didn't offend me lol...

Sorry. Didn't mean to say you were offended. However much I find it interesting, yes there's no need to say negative things about people who do believe.

[mrveggieman]

And yet the majority of christians, muslims, jews, and most other religions KNOW this answer.

They are intellectually dishonest with themselves and everyone else....and this is what makes them so dangerous.

I'm still waiting for them to be honest and say...."hey, we don't truly know the answer to these questions, however; we have a firm faith because it makes us feel good and it gives our lives comfort and direction. Our belief is grounded on comfort and faith not knowledge or evidence"

But NOPE....the vast majority can't do that, at least I would have a good deal of respect for them if they did.


Because it matters.

Because being truthful with oneself is much more important than being blissfully ignorant/delusional.

And the truth hurts.

For example...It hurts me to think that one day my loved ones will die and I will never see them again, their only proof that they existed will be in documentation and memories.

It hurts me to think that I will also meet that dreadful fate.

But I have come to grips with reality, I embrace my mortality and even though I very much wish to live forever, I know that believing that I will with zero evidence is the same as believing that I'm a millionaire without actually having the millions with me.

As one of the few voices of moderation P&R I somewhat agree with the bolded. Yes religions especially the big 3 are largely based on faith and to a lesser degree evidence. There are a lot of things that religions cannot explain just like there are a lot of things science can't explain either. Listen I don't know all the answers but I am humble enough to belive that there is something out there that is greater than each one of us.

[centrehice]

Many people use the word "know" when they mean "believe" simply because their belief is so strong they truly think they know it. That's no more dishonest than saying "There HAS to be other life in the universe."

I also think it's quite telling that, when faced with the realization you could be wrong, instead of really learning more about things, you simply moved to a system where being wrong is not met with a "hell" of any sort. I also think it's wrong that you deny God because of religion, but many people do. It's chic in certain circles to be atheist so it's easy.

I have formed my conclusions by using actual human history. I found many interesting facts in digging and travelling to many areas of the World.

Most of my conclusion is that especially chistianity and islam are founded on fear, paranoia, dread. If you follow actual history that's the common thread that those 2 religions share.

Science (based on human capability) is in my estimation 12 or more centuries behind. Science was not given credence due to no overlap, or no shared relationship with god.

For cripes sake, people thought the Earth was flat, that was predicated by a fear of god, and a fear of the unknown. It's easier to sit on your fat arse and believe everything everybody tells you, especially if they tell you, you will die, or be killed.

I don't buy your convenience angle at all.

[Wickabee]

Did I say you are that way, or every atheist is?
That wasn't about you.

Also, you (and alex) are stuck on religion. Religion is worthless, except as a masturbatory feel better cure. I try to follow Christ. Christianity is bogus though.

[duane1969]

[tpeichel]

Consider the following philosophical proposition:

An atheist has died and to his surprise he has met up with god in heaven for judgement.

God tells the atheist that he is guilty of not believing in him and thus must go to hell.

The atheist says...."I used the brain you created and found that you were illogical, and every human law we have contradicts your existence thus I couldn't believe in you....furthermore, I had evidence to show that there is a naturalistic explanation to how I came to be".

The atheist logic says that he has no creator, he is a product of nature....

God is not phased by this human logic and tells the atheist that it's time to go...

At this point the atheist asks one last question....."If an intelligent being created me, and YOU are also an intelligent being, then who created you?"

God responds that he has no creator, he has always been, he is the alpha and the omega.


God's logic says that he has no creator, he has always been......god does not believe he was created.

If there is a being that created the Earth and all on it, why do you think that humans would be able to understand it?

[centrehice]

Did I say you are that way, or every atheist is?
That wasn't about you.

Also, you (and alex) are stuck on religion. Religion is worthless, except as a masturbatory feel better cure. I try to follow Christ. Christianity is bogus though.

It's my way of telling you that christ was a cultist, nothing more. That's what I have dug up. His insignificance while he lived, is only trumped by his insignificance.

Cultist christianity that emerged from this insignificance is what we have today, by no fault of mine.

Yeshua ben Merriam is no different than Sonny Barger in forming a cultist organisation.

[Wickabee]

I'm sure what we have now is exactly what he wanted too. He sure pro fitted off this.