New York Rangers Fire Coach Tortorella

[centrehice]

Carl Hagelin is a Euro, they all need some toughening up. A full half of all the NHL players are Prima Donnas.

[Leafsman]

Carl Hagelin is a Euro, they all need some toughening up. A full half of all the NHL players are Prima Donnas.

Nationality is irrelavent. Tortorella treated everybody the same. As for being Prima Donnas, most NHLers make more money annually than I'll make throughout my life. If I earned what even the average NHLer makes per year, I'd have swagger and have a sense of entitlement too.

I just believe Tortorella and Keenan are two peas in a pod, and neither should be employed in any way with the NHL or hockey in general.

[centrehice]

Nationality is irrelavent. Tortorella treated everybody the same. As for being Prima Donnas, most NHLers make more money annually than I'll make throughout my life. If I earned what even the average NHLer makes per year, I'd have swagger and have a sense of entitlement too.

I just believe Tortorella and Keenan are two peas in a pod, and neither should be employed in any way with the NHL or hockey in general.

My argument is not about the money they make vs what you or I make, I don't give a damn, I'm not jealous at all, it's about their attitude. If your life is controlled by money, then theres no discussion to be had with me.

Making gobs of money has created an environment of entitlement, and is the reason that they are Primma Donnas. If they played for 40 bucks a game like Gordie Howe, Carl Brewer and Maurice Richard did, then I'd be gobsmacked. But because they don't cook their own food, clean their own floors, or even wash their own cars, it gives them an inflated sense of self-esteem and self-worth, but it still does not entitle them to anything, least of all a laissez faire attitude while playing.

Thumbing up and down the wing pretending to look good, will get you in a Yashin situation eventually.

They are not a whole lot different than Hollywood "Street Trash with Money"

[Leafsman]

My argument is not about the money they make vs what you or I make, I don't give a damn, I'm not jealous at all, it's about their attitude. If your life is controlled by money, then theres no discussion to be had with me.

Making gobs of money has created an environment of entitlement, and is the reason that they are Primma Donnas. If they played for 40 bucks a game like Gordie Howe, Carl Brewer and Maurice Richard did, then I'd be gobsmacked. But because they don't cook their own food, clean their own floors, or even wash their own cars, it gives them an inflated sense of self-esteem and self-worth, but it still does not entitle them to anything, least of all a laissez faire attitude while playing.

Thumbing up and down the wing pretending to look good, will get you in a Yashin situation eventually.

They are not a whole lot different than Hollywood "Street Trash with Money"

Agreed! Well put sir. My point is that NHLers should not have the attitude they do just because they make the money they do.

You wrote (and I quote): 'Carl Hagelin is a Euro, they all need some toughening up.' Maybe so, but I suggest there are more than a few North Americans who have toughening up - and growing up - to do.

[centrehice]

For sure some of the North American players need some as well. In their camp mostly lessons of common sense. The European players, though many are considered soft, often don't get up to the antics that some of home grown boys do.

This new Sport of driving over goaltenders, diving, slew-footing, pile driving player from behind into the board by many Team Captains and Alternate Captains nowadays which never would have happened in yesteryear (they would have dropped the gloves and settled things properly) is leaving it's mark.

A person that misbehaves in the new NHL (as long as they don't fight) their reprehensible behaviour is tolerated by everyone. I'd rather have somebody punch me in the nose, and the league be mad at me for engaging in a fight, than be a victim of a slew-foot, or a cross-check to the back of the head as I get pile-drived into the boards.

Gary Bettman has put a bounty on fighting. Because of it, we are seeing a ton more concussions, and a ton more stick fouls, heaps of boarding from behind, and a whole new level of players acting in a deleterious manner, simply because fighting is frowned upon.

Matt Cooke would not be playing now if the NHL players were allowed to take care of their own. He would have been grabbed off the bench, punched silly, then ostracized by every team in the league, and forced to retire because he would not be employed. But nope - don't you dare punch Matt Cooke, that's fighting. Hell, ....... he only ruined a man's career.

Mark my words, there will be a serious injury within the next 2 seasons because of the attitude toward fighting. Aggression has now learned to manifest itself by acting like a Punk, which to me is unaceptable.

[Leafsman]

For sure some of the North American players need some as well. In their camp mostly lessons of common sense. The European players, though many are considered soft, often don't get up to the antics that some of home grown boys do.

This new Sport of driving over goaltenders, diving, slew-footing, pile driving player from behind into the board by many Team Captains and Alternate Captains nowadays which never would have happened in yesteryear (they would have dropped the gloves and settled things properly) is leaving it's mark.

A person that misbehaves in the new NHL (as long as they don't fight) their reprehensible behaviour is tolerated by everyone. I'd rather have somebody punch me in the nose, and the league be mad at me for engaging in a fight, than be a victim of a slew-foot, or a cross-check to the back of the head as I get pile-drived into the boards.

Gary Bettman has put a bounty on fighting. Because of it, we are seeing a ton more concussions, and a ton more stick fouls, heaps of boarding from behind, and a whole new level of players acting in a deleterious manner, simply because fighting is frowned upon.

Matt Cooke would not be playing now if the NHL players were allowed to take care of their own. He would have been grabbed off the bench, punched silly, then ostracized by every team in the league, and forced to retire because he would not be employed. But nope - don't you dare punch Matt Cooke, that's fighting. Hell, ....... he only ruined a man's career.

Mark my words, there will be a serious injury within the next 2 seasons because of the attitude toward fighting. Aggression has now learned to manifest itself by acting like a Punk, which to me is unaceptable.

Agreed

[the_nange]

The amount of people getting Torts about his Hagelin comments is amazing. It amazes me because people have followed the piper that is the media in that they think "he stinks" is all Torts said. I suggest everyone go and watch Torts' full presser from that day (it is available on blueshirtsunited.com). Watch how he praises Hagelin, before giving up (in usual Tortorella style) the "he stinks" comment. He follows that comment with "he's a jitterbug" on the PP. His comments have be described as affectionate from that afternoon.

Yet all I hear is "he threw Hagelin under the bus because he said Hagelin stinks". Why? Because Torts is an easy sound bite. He brings that on himself in a way, yes, but to cite THAT incident as him throwing a player under the bus and THE point he lost the room is stupid (sorry, no other word). The media built up that moment.

I have another big post on another forum about why I think Torts wasn't perfect, but should have gotten at least another half a year to prove his worth. In the end, he (rightfully or not) likely lost a few big names in the room (Lundqvist, Nash, Richards) and that was the downfall.

[jagrnyr68]

I didn't think much of the Hagelin comment at first but after a couple minutes, I realized A - Hagelin was barely on the PP this season (I believe he said every time he puts him out there he stinks, yet he's barely been on the PP during the season), and B - the whole PP was terrible, so why single out one guy who barely played on it? Torts also avoided putting McDonagh on there until the last couple games and he actually looked like he fit in really well, maybe he should have tinkered with the players during the season more as Dezzy and Richards were abysmal on the PP this season.

Normally I'd be more on Torts side as I thought he was the perfect coach for this team last season, but the more I think about the Boston series, this was the right move. We were outplayed in every game that series, and if we had such a defensive system, why did we let up about 3 goals a game? More than half the time it seemed like we were just trying to prevent them from scoring, we didnt even care about trying to score. Having Staal and Clowe may have changed a game or two, but we still would have been holding back and playing defense, and with the offensive talent on this team, we're not gonna win that way.

I really think Lundqvist's contract being up in 2014 played a factor in this though, why would he want to play for a team who barely manufactures chances to get on the scoreboard? I think he knew there needed to be change, and this was it

[the_nange]

Thing about the Hagelin comments was that he was asked about Hagelin, on the PP, to begin with. He didn't just sit down and decide to smash Hagelin - as the media has portrayed it. I always saw the move as him doing his usual thing, challenging a player in public to step up.

I thought a big reason to why we lost the Boston series was because of depth. Their 4th line was on fire. Our bottom 6 forwards consisted of 2 AHLers who were making their playoff debuts (if I remember correctly). On D, once Stralman went down and we relied on Hamrlik, it was over. The rest of the guys weren't playing amazing in the Caps series but grinded out a win. Boston out grinded NYR in that series.

As for the powerplay, this is where I think Torts failed to make the changes he needed. And the change was to take back the PP from Sullivan (he was the PP coach the last time I checked) - and this is definitely his fault. But Torts is stubborn, maybe he thought Sully could fix it. In the end, his loyalty to his right hand man definitely contributed to this firing...