Question for debt Hawks....

[GroundSupport]

Exactly...... Thanks

[Imac7065]

Exactly...... Thanks

So you are pro big government now? Government sponsored growth is a good thing? This is quite confusing for me

[duane1969]

Uh.. actually they say it was wrong because all the evidence was a lie and Bush committed a war crime he will never be held responsible for. And no... Al Gore wouldn't have done the same. Clinton had a chance to invade Iraq in 1998 and choose not to do so because there was no proof of WMD's.. people love to forget that.

First, Clinton didn't go into Iraq because he was weak, not because he knew they didn't have WMDs. By his own words, he thought they had WMDs.

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

Second, you would seem to know very little about Gore during the Iraq Resolution period. Not only did he vote for the Iraq Resolution, he supported the invasion for years afterward and only changed his story when it became the partisan propaganda line to follow. Both of the below quotes come from the 2002 Congressional debate on invading Iraq. Just so we are clear, these statements were made after he lost the election to Bush, so these are representative of what his sentiments would have been had he been president at the time.

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

Nevertheless, Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and we should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to weapons of mass destruction. Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power. Moreover, no international law can prevent the United States from taking actions to protect its vital interests, when it is manifestly clear that there is a choice to be made between law and survival.
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

He presented congress with an order to attack Bin Laden in 1998... they said if he did it they would accuse him of "wagging the dog" to distract from Monica Lewinsky.. your comment actually offends me as I am originally from NY and my Uncle was scheduled to be in the towers the following day. I myself was in the towers nearly a year to the day before it happened.


Clinton also made his entire presidential exit/entrance interview with bush about Bin Laden and Al Queda.. he warned him that they would be the biggest issue this country faces over the next 10 years.

Bush's response? He went on vacation for 8 months of his first year in office, and when presented with intel labeled "bin laden primed to attack the united states".. he went on vacation again.

So as I said.. your response offends me.

What was the order that he presented to Congress called? I can't find any reference to it anywhere. The only thing I can find is several references to him having the chance to authorize launching air strikes and refusing to do so.

And when did Bush go on vacation for 8 months?

[GroundSupport]

So you are pro big government now? Government sponsored growth is a good thing? This is quite confusing for me

Do you know what your even talking about? Because I surely don't think you do.

[Imac7065]

First, Clinton didn't go into Iraq because he was weak, not because he knew they didn't have WMDs. By his own words, he thought they had WMDs.



Second, you would seem to know very little about Gore during the Iraq Resolution period. Not only did he vote for the Iraq Resolution, he supported the invasion for years afterward and only changed his story when it became the partisan propaganda line to follow. Both of the below quotes come from the 2002 Congressional debate on invading Iraq. Just so we are clear, these statements were made after he lost the election to Bush, so these are representative of what his sentiments would have been had he been president at the time.








What was the order that he presented to Congress called? I can't find any reference to it anywhere. The only thing I can find is several references to him having the chance to authorize launching air strikes and refusing to do so.

And when did Bush go on vacation for 8 months?

You are completing glossing over the fact that the evidence Bush was pushing in 2002 WAS A LIE. As Colin Powell later stated.. he knew it was a lie, and still put it forward.

As for clinton.. I already stated his words were my source in that Fox News interview

[Imac7065]

Do you know what your even talking about? Because I surely don't think you do.

The military is part of the government.. you are aware of this yes? I know "conservatives" are oblivious on this one.. but being pro "strong military" is actually a liberal position. Military based communities are government sponsored communities. I'm not sure how you could spin this any other way.

[GroundSupport]

The military is part of the government.. you are aware of this yes? I know "conservatives" are oblivious on this one.. but being pro "strong military" is actually a liberal position. Military based communities are government sponsored communities. I'm not sure how you could spin this any other way.

Why don't you go read the rest of the thread and then get back to me. Because your clueless on this debate right now.

[sanfran22]

Actually.. this is a myth that drives me nuts.. do liberals prefer to spend? Yes.. spending sparks growth. However, it was Ronald Reagan, not a democrat.... who drove our national debt through the roof.. (oversaw 17 debt ceiling increases FYI). It was Bill Clinton who took that debt, balanced the budget, and gave us a surplus by the year 2000. It was George W Bush who turned that surplus into the largest debt in history, and ran the deficit from +450 billion to -1.67 trillion... it's Obama who has cut the deficit by more than half in just the last few years.

Oh and Obamacare? According to the CBO.. it cuts the national debt by 1.2 trillion dollars over 10 years in its current form. Republicans are currently trying to gut it as a result lol

It was a democrat congress that raised the debt under Reagan. He compromised with them. It was also a Republican congress that lowered the debt under Clinton and there was no surplus (again, look at the numbers). I believe it is also the house that has cut back the deficit currently? I think we all blame and congratulate the presidents a little more then is factual. But one this is clear, a president can be divisive and can change things unilaterally at times. We see it now.

[Imac7065]

Why don't you go read the rest of the thread and then get back to me. Because your clueless on this debate right now.

I wasn't responding to your debate.. I was responding to you being pro military communities like Jacksonville, NC... that flies in the face of everything else you have posted.

[Imac7065]

It was a democrat congress that raised the debt under Reagan. He compromised with them. It was also a Republican congress that lowered the debt under Clinton and there was no surplus (again, look at the numbers). I believe it is also the house that has cut back the deficit currently? I think we all blame and congratulate the presidents a little more then is factual. But one this is clear, a president can be divisive and can change things unilaterally at times. We see it now.

woah woah woah.... you can't have it both ways buddy lol.. Reagan fought congress because they wanted to block him from spending more and raising the debt. Reagan raised taxes 7 times to pay for his "limited government" as well.

You can't give Reagan credit, then say Obama has done nothing on the flip side either lol. The majority of Obama's presidency has been cleaning up after bush.. and the right still hates him for it. The Deficit is tumbling because we stopped spending.. at all.. after 2010-11.. on the negative side of that the debt keeps going up.. because we're not spending.. at all. There is no growth in this country, and thus we pay nearly 100% debt to GDP. We need new infrastructure, jobs, education, sciences.. we need prosperity. Republicans will have none of it and will just blame Obama for the debt they racked up in the first place.

And before you say it.. the 6-7 trillion added to the debt since Obama took office was in response to what happened in 2007-08.. the debt has slowed to a crawl in the last 2 years. It's pathetic that it still hits ceilings though.