Johnny Manziel Flawless RPA True 1/1 Encased FS!

[scubakuda19]

This one was before his 2 horrible starts

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2014-Panini-Flawless-Rookie-RC-Auto-Johnny-Manziel-1-1-One-of-One-Encased-/361138447698?pt=US_Football&hash=item5415876552&nm a=true&si=or%252BgqQahikKf3ArGRBwSm1NJa44%253D&ori g_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

and this isnt a 1/1 also sold before his horrible starts, but its the same card #/5 so shouldn't be too much of a difference

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2014-Panini-Flawless-Johnny-Manziel-RPA-Rookie-Auto-Logo-Jersey-Emerald-d-1-5-/321594951103?pt=US_Football&hash=item4ae08d85bf&nm a=true&si=or%252BgqQahikKf3ArGRBwSm1NJa44%253D&ori g_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2014-FLAWLESS-ENCASED-UNCIRCULATED-JOHNNY-MANZIEL-ROOKIE-AUTO-PATCH-EMERALD-5-5-/301382699358?pt=US_Football&hash=item462bcf095e&nm a=true&si=or%252BgqQahikKf3ArGRBwSm1NJa44%253D&ori g_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

I am not bashing your card at all its a great card, but i think you are overvalue and if you are wanting to get that much you will probably have to wait until next year and hope he plays very well. Even the flawless #15 autos are going for about 130-150. All of his stuff is down and is just going further down. When he got to play it was horrible and browns fans were embarrassed, then his second start started off horrible too and now he is hurt.

Your still not comparing apples to apples, those flawless without a patch are not the same. Like I said I know his values are down but in order to move this card I'm seeking what I od, which is $2100, I have no problem waiting till next year till the market comes back around, Merry Christmas!

[scubakuda19]

After Xmas sLe

[greg271126817]

Your still not comparing apples to apples, those flawless without a patch are not the same. Like I said I know his values are down but in order to move this card I'm seeking what I od, which is $2100, I have no problem waiting till next year till the market comes back around, Merry Christmas!

Not bashing it, its a nice card, yes his values are down, but i guess my thing is its not much different from the #/5 versions that sell for cheap. Im sure if he has a great year next year the value will be above what you are asking, its just not going to be this year, or anytime soon. But you never know. You may get that for it with the right buyer

[scubakuda19]

Not bashing it, its a nice card, yes his values are down, but i guess my thing is its not much different from the #/5 versions that sell for cheap. Im sure if he has a great year next year the value will be above what you are asking, its just not going to be this year, or anytime soon. But you never know. You may get that for it with the right buyer

I'm pot commited so to speak, and there's no chance /5 is close to a true 1/1, I understand as well but maybe somebody out there sees it my way, most difficult cards to value are 1/1's, heck his finest Rpa 1/1 sold for 1500 with a sticker auto and there's actually two 1/1's, and that's $50 a box not $800 as Flawless is...