Poll: Greatest qb ever?

[rocketman818]

Not going to do the reply to all the comments again. We have to agree to disagree. Lastly a couple of points. My point of Brady doing more in his career with less was a show of his supporting cast. He never had the big name guys like everyone else did on either side of the ball. This is reflected the most in teams that win multiple championships. The 2000 ravens and others were lucky to win the superbowl since they didn't even make it back the next year. The exception as I had said. But even they had Ray lewis HOF. The 85 bears with Walter Payton. It is not just a bunch of scrubs with a scrub QB. Look at the great superbowl teams of the cowboys. Aikman had Smith and Irving. Montana had Rice, Lott, Haley. Bradshaw with too many to name. All these so called dynasty teams have HOF players other than the QB. Even Montana takes a hit in my opinion. Steve young takes over and wins multiple championships with almost the same team. So was it Joe or the team? So these other teams have HOF players on both sides of the ball and brady has nothing close to it. You love stats well were are these dominating stars on the Patriots all these years besides Brady? There are none. I am sorry but if you truly look at the entire body of work it is Brady. You want to say Otto. These era's are too far apart to compare. But even if you tried. Otto didn't have to even play 16 games a yr or multiple rounds of the playoffs. Brady played a majority of his time in the salary cap era where it is supposed to neutralize teams and allow for better competition. The players of today are bigger, faster and the defenses far more complex.

[deansayso]

I voted other because obviously it's jameis winston

[rocketman818]

I voted other because obviously it's jameis winston

Ok that made me laugh....Haha

[Jameis1of1]

Ok now this is getting crazy. Now Peyton gets credit for turning Wayne and Harrison into the stars they were. If you ever watched some of these games you could tell that this is a crap statement. Harrison was a beast receiver with great hands and the same with wayne. And moss was floundering in Oakland but with Brady he breaks the WR record for touchdowns. I am tired of the Brady bashing. With me you AGREE that manning had better receivers but now I guess they were crap and it was all Peyton. SMH

Don't put words in my mouth or jump to drastic conclusions. I already agreed Manning had better receivers, but you made it sound like he had prime stars join him and that isn't the case ... these were college kids drafted in the mid to late 1st round who had ordinary college careers, they were not established star free agent signings or even top 10 stud WR draft picks. That is a fact.

[rocketman818]

Don't put words in my mouth or jump to drastic conclusions. I already agreed Manning had better receivers, but you made it sound like he had prime stars join him and that isn't the case ... these were college kids drafted in the mid to late 1st round who had ordinary college careers, they were not established star free agent signings or even top 10 stud WR draft picks. That is a fact.

What I said was not drastic. Your the one that said Manning could have MADE them. The draft is unknown. You have number 1 picks that go nowhere. WHO CARES where they were drafted? They are great WR and honestly being drafted anywhere in the first round is great. Was it top 5 no but come on. Your acting like these two WR did nothing playing elsewhere then came to the Colts and became great. My point is college success is no indication of NFL success. Isn't that right Mr. Brady. There are a ton of great players that were never even drafted but to hear you talk they couldn't be great if they were not drafted in the first round.

[Jameis1of1]

Not going to do the reply to all the comments again. We have to agree to disagree. Lastly a couple of points. My point of Brady doing more in his career with less was a show of his supporting cast. He never had the big name guys like everyone else did on either side of the ball. This is reflected the most in teams that win multiple championships. The 2000 ravens and others were lucky to win the superbowl since they didn't even make it back the next year. The exception as I had said. But even they had Ray lewis HOF. The 85 bears with Walter Payton. It is not just a bunch of scrubs with a scrub QB. Look at the great superbowl teams of the cowboys. Aikman had Smith and Irving. Montana had Rice, Lott, Haley. Bradshaw with too many to name. All these so called dynasty teams have HOF players other than the QB.

I understand your point but you have to understand that team success leads to the HOF for many players and it will be no different with the Patriots. It's not just Brady and Bellichick that will end up in the HOF when all is said and done. Guys like Gronk, Rodney Harrison, Richard Seymour, Willie McGinest, Darrelle Revis, Vince Wilfork ... even Adam Vinatieri and maybe Wes Welker could all have a bust in Canton one day.

And if that happens, fans of some new hot-shot QB will be calling their guy the greatest and saying, "look at all the HOF'ers Brady played with" ...

Even Montana takes a hit in my opinion. Steve young takes over and wins multiple championships with almost the same team. So was it Joe or the team?

Um, Steve Young won just one SB after Joe left, not multiple ... one.

So these other teams have HOF players on both sides of the ball and brady has nothing close to it.

Again, just wait and see how many HOF'ers come from the Patriots in the next couple of decades. I think you'll be surprised.

You love stats well were are these dominating stars on the Patriots all these years besides Brady? There are none. I am sorry but if you truly look at the entire body of work it is Brady. You want to say Otto. These era's are too far apart to compare. But even if you tried. Otto didn't have to even play 16 games a yr or multiple rounds of the playoffs. Brady played a majority of his time in the salary cap era where it is supposed to neutralize teams and allow for better competition. The players of today are bigger, faster and the defenses far more complex.

It's next to impossible to compare today's NFL to Otto's NFL, but I do believe Otto has a stronger claim to be the QB GOAT than Brady does.

I personally would probably rank it like this:

1. Otto Graham: His resume is the most impressive, period.
2. Peyton Manning: 7 1st team all-pro's and 5 MVP's in unprecedented and he did that in Tom Brady's era.
3. Joe Montana: His perfect 4 fr 4 in SB's with zero picks thrown is viewed much like Jordan's perfect 6 for 6 in NBA Finals among NBA fans
4. Tom Brady: 2nd only to Otto in "team success" coupled w/ strong individual accomplishments ... would be above Montana if not for scandals
5. John Unitas: Fans of his era still swear he's the GOAT

[Jameis1of1]

I voted other because obviously it's jameis winston

Hopefully one day, and he's definitely on the right pace, but no, he's not even in the top 500 now ...

I will however say that Jameis is the undisputed greatest 2 year NCAA QB ever though ... and there isn't even a close 2nd :-)

He's also the greatest 22 year old QB that has ever played to date ... I mean, a Heisman, National Title, ROY, Pro Bowl, first QB in NFL history to start a career with back-to-back 4k+ seasons, the youngest NFL QB to 8,000 yards and 50 TD's ... the kid is definitely on pace to go down as one of the all-time greats, no doubt about it :-)

[rocketman818]

Ya I looked up graham's statistics. Really impressive..Haha..

Otto career TD=174 INT=135 completion percentage is 55.8
Manning TD=539 INT=251 completion percentage is 65.3
Brady TD=456 INT=152 completion percentage is 63.8 Brady should also surpasses the total TD of manning in the next couple of years. He is only 83 behind which in today's game is very reachable.


Brady has a better TD to INT ratio over both and that is the main purpose of a QB. Score points and don't turn ball over. Otto is worst. And I forgot when you add in things like in the future patriot players will be in the HOF or Aaron Rodgers will have a higher QB rating in the end. Well guess what THEY AREN'T IN NOW AND AARON'S RATING ISN'T RIGHT NOW. We are talking about the here and now and not what MIGHT happen in the future. Aaron Rodgers could tear is ACL and never return. Hey it might happen. You can't just suggest things may go one way or not in the future. It could go bad as well. Stick to today.

[rocketman818]

Hopefully he has learned from his mistakes in school. He came off as a punk kid who thought he could do whatever he wanted. I forgot to pay for crab legs. Ya sure kid.

Hopefully one day, and he's definitely on the right pace, but no, he's not even in the top 500 now ...

I will however say that Jameis is the undisputed greatest 2 year NCAA QB ever though ... and there isn't even a close 2nd :-)

He's also the greatest 22 year old QB that has ever played to date ... I mean, a Heisman, National Title, ROY, Pro Bowl, first QB in NFL history to start a career with back-to-back 4k+ seasons, the youngest NFL QB to 8,000 yards and 50 TD's ... the kid is definitely on pace to go down as one of the all-time greats, no doubt about it :-)

[Jameis1of1]

Ya I looked up graham's statistics. Really impressive..Haha..

Otto career TD=174 INT=135 completion percentage is 55.8
Manning TD=539 INT=251 completion percentage is 65.3
Brady TD=456 INT=152 completion percentage is 63.8 Brady should also surpasses the total TD of manning in the next couple of years. He is only 83 behind which in today's game is very reachable.


Brady has a better TD to INT ratio over both and that is the main purpose of a QB. Score points and don't turn ball over. Otto is worst. And I forgot when you add in things like in the future patriot players will be in the HOF or Aaron Rodgers will have a higher QB rating in the end. Well guess what THEY AREN'T IN NOW AND AARON'S RATING ISN'T RIGHT NOW. We are talking about the here and now and not what MIGHT happen in the future. Aaron Rodgers could tear is ACL and never return. Hey it might happen. You can't just suggest things may go one way or not in the future. It could go bad as well. Stick to today.

You know full well you're being silly when you mention stats in regards to Otto as the game was played far different in his era ... don't be goofy. The guy was a SEVEN-TIME 1ST TEAM-ALL PRO just like Manning and a THREE-TIME NFL MVP ... Brady is just a 2-time 1st team all-pro and 2-time MVP ...

As for your other comments ... you can't have your cake and eat it too ... you know full well the guys who LATER were enshrined into Canton from the Cowboys, 49'ers, etc., were not already enshrined when they played with Montana and Aikman, etc., yet you mentioned how many HOF'ers other QB's played with ... my points stand and like I said, when all is said and done Brady will most likely have many other Patriots joining him in the HOF.