The Official JAMEIS WINSTON Thread

[jplcom]

The Bears had a great weekend! Crazy to think but maybe the Buccaneers could flip Fitzpatrick over to the 49ers.

[Jameis1of1]

The Bears had a great weekend! Crazy to think but maybe the Buccaneers could flip Fitzpatrick over to the 49ers.

Almost every QB who has played Tampa for thee past 2 years has had a great day … their pass defense may literally be the worst in the history of the NFL and it's been that way for 2 years and has been terrible ever since Jameis was drafted … it's a sad situation and some fan started a change.org petition to get the Defensive Coordinator fired.

As for Fitz, they may have missed their window to trade him, as he turned back into the Fitz most knew he was … and I really think the 49'ers would be smart to just tank the season.

However, I do think if a contending team's starting QB goes down, there could be a trade for Fitz … for example, think of the Jaguars losing Bortles for 6-8 weeks or something like that … a Fitz trade would make a ton of sense and he may even be able to keep a job in Jacksonville … you never know.

[22emmittzone]

lol

I titled this "The Official JAMEIS WINSTON Thread" as I plan to update it now and then and figure both Winston fans and Winston-bashers, as well as the merely curious can add to it from time to time as well.



Note: The original post I created to start this thread is below the "------Original Thread Below This Line------" section, following all the statistical tables. However, for now, I will post some statistical updates as Jameis' 3rd season just ended and so that people who are new to this thread can see such stats first.

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JAMEIS IS THE MOST STATISTICALLY ACCOMPLISHED QB OF HIS AGE IN THE HISTORY OF FOOTBALL ... AND THAT'S A FACT WHETHER ANYONE IN THE MEDIA WANTS TO ACKNOWLEDGE IT OR NOT!

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I'm just pumped after tonight's game ... I watched it with my son and it was exactly what I wanted to see as Jameis played near PERFECT football and the Bucs LOST a close one to preserve their high draft pick, which they need desperately as the defense is one of the worst in the league, the O-line is a joke and they have no running game to speak of.

Anyways, Jameis finished the game 27-35 but of those 8 incompletions, two were "clock-spikes (which should not count as an incompletion for any QB - obviously), four were blatant drops by his receivers on perfectly thrown balls and one was an incompletion to Mike Evans that both the MNF commentators should have been called a pass interference on the Falcons cornerback. So, in all reality Jameis was 27-28 and he was doing anything but dinking and dunking or checking-down, the kid was throwing lasers all over the field with about 5-6 extremely tight window throws and a couple deep balls sprinkled in. It was honestly one of the best QB performances I've seen this year and it had me and my son whooping it up all night, right up until we both started hoping the Bucs kicker would miss the game-tying, last-second field goal so the Bucs would lose and be in line for a top 5 pick ... which the kicker did!

After the game was over I started looking at Jameis' stats for his 8 healthy games this year, as it's exactly half a season worth of games and therefore a quality sample size, and below is how he compares this year, to none other than the GOAT (I consider Otto Graham the GOAT but I know most consider Brady the GOAT so I don't mind referring to him as such), Tom Brady.


Jameis Winston's 9 healthy games this year vs. Tom Brady's 15 games this year:

Jameis Winston:

67.0% completion percentage / 311.4 passing yards per game / 2.0 passing TDs per game / .67 Interceptions per game / 108.2 passer rating

Tom Brady:

67.5% completion percentage / 292.5 passing yards per game / 2.0 passing TDs per game / .53 Interceptions per game / 104.2 passer rating


I tweeted this out and had a great back and forth with a lot of folks as most people (thanks to the media always using negative Winston narratives) had no idea Jameis' numbers were elite this year ... even some media folks themselves expressed their appreciation for my info which was cool.

Also, for those who don't know:

Jameis now has more career passing yards before the age of 24 than any QB who has ever played in NFL history.

Jameis also is tied for #1 all-time for the most career TD passes before the age of 24 ... and if he throws just one against the Saints in the last game of the season, he will hold the record all by himself!

As someone who really loves Jameis Winston and not just someone who collects his cards, it sincerely bothers me when I see the media spin things to always paint a negative picture of his on-field accomplishments. I remember ESPN running a headline calling Jameis' play "disappointing" when he was playing with a badly injured THROWING shoulder while at the same time running a headline that called Matt Stafford "heroic" or some such thing for simply playing a game (which the Lions lost) with a gimpy ankle. I remember Mike Wilbon on Pardon the Interruption saying that Mariota was "ahead of Winston" at a time when Mariota was the #30th ranked QB in the entire NFL and had 10 TDs with 14 INTs while Jameis was ranked around #15 and had 14 TDs and just 8 INTs ... obviously Wilbon didn't do any real research and just glanced at the NFL standings, saw the Titans had the better record and decided to throw out that little dig at Jameis, but still ... it bugged me.

And believe me, it's not only Jameis that the media spins negative narratives about. I watched the Cowboys v Raiders game and Derek Carr outplayed Dak Prescott by a wide margin and then tried to score a diving TD to win the game at the very end ... and the ball squirted out. One TV talking head said that Carr was a fumbling machine and that he made an idiot play and Dak played better or whatever ... I mean, just absurd.

I know this forum is filled with serious and sincere fans of various players and I for one am sorry any of you have to listen to TV or radio talking heads spout off not just absurd narratives, but damaging narratives based on lazy research or no research at all. It's not right and at times I can't believe some of these folks actually get paid to talk about sports, when it's obvious they don't care enough to even watch the games or do some simple research.

I remember some talking heads laughing about the Dak Prescott auto-pen scandal and basically saying that only idiots invest in sports cards anyways so it's not a big deal if Dak is defrauding them. I mean, are you kidding me? Sports cards are like stocks and just as inside information and slander and libel can hurt a stock, so to can lazy and absurd talking heads hurt a player's sports card stock.

I'll get off my soap box now, but I just wanted to say that I can sympathize with all you player collectors as the media can be brutal and many times, they can be brutal and 100% wrong at the same time, which is a shame.

Anyways ... I look forward to adding posts to this thread from time to time as Jameis' career plays out ... and I wish all of you nothing but the best in collecting your favorite player(s) as well.

Have a great day all!

[Jameis1of1]

^ I don't get what the "lol" is about ... seriousy though, stop spending so much time thinking about me ... it's not healthy ...

[22emmittzone]

Definitely not worrying too much. I just happened to take a look at your first post with all the charts showing Jameis as superior to all the HOFers at his age. I've mentioned time and time again about your use of certain factual statistics while ignoring others. Your very first post is another prime example. That is why the lol. I found it funny.

^ I don't get what the "lol" is about ... seriousy though, stop spending so much time thinking about me ... it's not healthy ...

[Jameis1of1]

Definitely not worrying too much. I just happened to take a look at your first post with all the charts showing Jameis as superior to all the HOFers at his age. I've mentioned time and time again about your use of certain factual statistics while ignoring others. Your very first post is another prime example. That is why the lol. I found it funny.

I already gave you the "last word" in our last discussion and was conversing with another poster about a possibility of a Fitz trade and you jumped back in for no reason other than to point out what has always been in the thread and something I've always maintained … again, don't spend so much time thinking about me … it doesn't seem healthy.

Jameis is the most statistically accomplished passer of his age in NFL history … it's not even debateable and I've always said that … it does NOT however mean that Jameis, at his current age, is better than any of them were "in their prime", nor does it mean that Jameis will end up having a better career than any of them, as injuries and the like can happen.

But yes, it's a simple fact that Jameis is #1 ALL-TIME in NFL HISTORY in both passing yards and passing TDs before the age of 24, the youngest Pro Bowl QB in NFL history, the ONLY QB to start his career with back to back 4k seasons, and that he has a massive statistical head-start on guys like Brady and Rodgers and Rivers and others, that either entered the league at an old age or sat on the bench holding a clipboard for years. That said, barring serious injury I have little doubt Jameis will obliterate most if not all of the great QBs of the past career passing yards and TD totals.

I suppose facts can be funny … but they're still facts.

[Capt Forest]

I Think the Fitz curse might rear its ugly head and Winston is going to go down with an injury and then Fitzmagik will be thrust right back in action.

[Jameis1of1]

I Think the Fitz curse might rear its ugly head and Winston is going to go down with an injury and then Fitzmagik will be thrust right back in action.

That certainly could happen, but of course that could happen with any team … Patrick Mahomes could suffer a season-ending injury and Chad Henne could pull a Nick Foles and win SB MVP this season … the NFL's nothing like the NBA where teams can be penciled into their Conference Finals with near 100% accuracy … anything can happen in the NFL.

[Rabs]

Yeah the NBA regular season is basically pointless.


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[22emmittzone]

Those are facts, for sure. However, stating that he is statistically more accomplished than those guys when he left college early and none of those other guys did is not even a remotely fair comparison. Of course his stats are going to be better than those guys. The reasoning isn't because those guys held a clipboard or that Jameis is soooo much better than them. The only thing those stats mean, is that he left school and started playing in the NFL earlier than all those other guys that went to college for 4 years. That is the reason and nothing else.

I agree with the fact that he is the #1 all time in nfl history in passing yds and TDs before 24, but in your assessment, perhaps you should have mentioned it was only because he left school early so he has many more games to accumulate those stats. But, you don't mention that and it is the primary reason that your stated fact is true. Simply a mere spin of the stats to make an attempt to prove something that simply isn't true.

I already gave you the "last word" in our last discussion and was conversing with another poster about a possibility of a Fitz trade and you jumped back in for no reason other than to point out what has always been in the thread and something I've always maintained … again, don't spend so much time thinking about me … it doesn't seem healthy.

Jameis is the most statistically accomplished passer of his age in NFL history … it's not even debateable and I've always said that … it does NOT however mean that Jameis, at his current age, is better than any of them were "in their prime", nor does it mean that Jameis will end up having a better career than any of them, as injuries and the like can happen.

But yes, it's a simple fact that Jameis is #1 ALL-TIME in NFL HISTORY in both passing yards and passing TDs before the age of 24, the youngest Pro Bowl QB in NFL history, the ONLY QB to start his career with back to back 4k seasons, and that he has a massive statistical head-start on guys like Brady and Rodgers and Rivers and others, that either entered the league at an old age or sat on the bench holding a clipboard for years. That said, barring serious injury I have little doubt Jameis will obliterate most if not all of the great QBs of the past career passing yards and TD totals.

I suppose facts can be funny … but they're still facts.